You've only been at Eagle for 12 months? You're about to get a serious smack down by AMR via bankruptcy. You'll be lucky to have a job in another 12 months

I will happily go somewhere else, sounds like maybe RAH for almost the same pay!!!

Everyone on your mighty horses just remember someone is always out to take what you have.

I'm really sorry, buddy. People picking up OT while we are furloughing ****es me off more than anything else in this industry. My long time girlfriend was one of our 20 that were furlough out of the schoolhouse (she is now at XJT).

I recently overheard one of our finest captains complaining about the recent lack of OT (a lot of it is blocked). He owed his recent ex-wife some $$ and needed the OT to help rectify this situation..so in order to fix his crappy situation, he was advocating immediate furloughs. :mad:

We truly are our own worst enemies. I hope the LOAs help avoid this mess for as long as possible.

That should be the motto of "The High Five Society".

GF

Ok, I see what iceraide was originally saying, I think your response was just a little more detailed...hopefully economic movement and pilots moving on will prevent furloughs.

that is a NEGATIVE!
my sister made 2500/wk as an intern. Her first year she made north of 150k. Oh yea not to mention she has been off since NOV on a paid leave.

If you keep jumping around from regional to regional you'll never make a decent living. You'll forever be on probationary pay chasing that elusive upgrade.

It might seem easy to do now but after a couple of years you'll be burned out wishing you hadn't done this career.

Have a back up plan, I do.

Courtesy our friends at the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Median salaries of all lawyers 9 months after graduation from law school in 2007: $68,500

Avg. starting salary in private practice:$108,000

Yea I have heard the same grumbling from people that are all heated because open time is blocked yet April's bid lines at LGA include lines that have 20 days off!!!

I doubt the LOA's will be very helpful, but we find out tomorrow how many have been granted...keeping my fingers crossed. I'm glad your gf was picked up by XJT, I haven't heard back from anyone yet...

...the choices we make huh?

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I did read multiple articles saying that attorney jobs are very, very scarce right now. In fact, law students have taken to suing their alma mater due to false advertising about the job prospects their chosen schools lead them to believe existed.

I would like someone to post nursing/two year medical stats---the Return On Investment I think is just nuts...the money and opportunities a two year or four year medical degree? Wow. Some posters have said, "Block, don't be negative" when I offer people to at least think about going the medical route....:confused: It seems like a solid career, I don't understand why I am taken as being negative. Do you think nurses shudder at what the oil prices will do?!! Don't think so!!! :cool:

You have a lot to learn, young man (or lady... Didn't catch your gender). While I appreciate your enthusiasm for your job, please recognize that your inexperience makes your feelings on your career subject to a MASSIVE change in the coming years. In the meantime, I trust you have stopped picking up open time with members of your pilot group on furlough. Your satisfaction with the miserable pay and working conditions at the airlines (regionals AND majors) undermines the hard work of those pilots that are trying hard to restore some stability to the profession.

17 years at a major, and I'm getting 12 days off a month.

Didn't you just describe yourself???

So...getting back to OP's topic...any updates from the March 19th NMB metteing...if it ever even happened?

Nothing yet. NMB and union meeting today. RAH not in this meeting

Uh........where did you hear that, if they're not there what's the whole flippin' point of the meeting :confused: If it is true you've got a whole pilot group that is going to be PIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSED!!!!!

RAH pilots are being incredibly selfish. Not only are they passing up free pay raise, they are passing up the opportunity to raise the bar for first year FO pay for the rest of the industry!

Mark my word, their new contract will not have first year FO pay at $30/hr. Way to keep the bar low for entry level.

wow........

Is your name wayne by chance? I question your motives at this point. If you cant see the very clear and logical argument against this raise, you're either a management mole or just not very intelligent. As for the company not being part of the meeting today, its set up that way. The company was scheduled to be there the 20th through the 22nd. Today was always scheduled to just be the union and mediator. No details of this weeks negotiations have been released yet.

I'll say again. The point is, do yourself and us a favor and DON"T come here right now. It does suck as bad as they say. Wait for the new contract. Don't fall for the "so called" raise that may or may not be required to be returned if the union and pilots have their way. We don't want a sham raise without a real contract and a legal raise that includes many things including "soft money" and work rules! Help us as pilots help all pilots. Help by staying away for a while. After a contract you will be welcomed aboard with open arms!

RAH pilots have no say for or against whether the pay raise will be implemented because it is a contract issue. And without it being in an LOA, it violates the contract.

First year pay is typically low at all carriers. The pay scale is flat in that it hardly increases throughout its longevity. The pay increase was proposed as a way to entice applicants and to minimize FO attrition. However, it has been way too long of a negotiations, 5 years, for management to start playing nice.

Applicants should look at the whole picture and not just first year pay.

it means far more than just that. during mediation, both management and union are required to maintain status quo and not engage methods of self-help. if either party should take actions beyond what is permitted under the amendable contract and imposes new work rules, it will be considered self-help. what happens when self-help is declared, you ask? just watch.

correct. the picture is so ugly here, they would have to offer me way more than $30 an hour to come subject myself to what is going to happen at this place.

Hey, how is your effort to stop people from applying working? Honest question, just curious. You can PM if you want.

It's kind of funny, someone can say "Do NOT under ANY circumstances apply at ABC Air!". And invariably, the next post you get is "Can somone walk my resume in at ABC Air?". :D

Nice job with the RAHcontractnow site. I've sent it to several friends considering RAH. Stay strong, stay united. Good luck guys!

What's the junior bases over there?

LOL...it doesnt really matter what it is today because it may close just as quickly as all the others. in just 2011, GRR=closed..MKE=closed.

all indications it is having an effect on management. has it impacted new hire numbers?...dunno, management would never let that be know.

just to clarify, no one is saying "DO NOT APPLY HERE"....we're saying "know the facts and how difficult the day-to-day the entire operation is". if a new hire appears on the line, they will be meet with welcome and as much assistance as they need.

thank you!

Can you explain a bit for me? I have been considering applying to RAH on and off again for a while. I have been looking at others too, but am getting to a point where I need to get a job. I am trying to figure out what is going on over there. I hear a lot of rumbling, but no honest tellings.

Yeah, your chief hope is people come in AFTER the new contract right? I should also add I was being tongue in cheek...not trying to be a Richard. Everyone is trying to make job opportunities happen.

Stinky, Talking a big game. Way more than $30 an hour? You will get more but not way more than $30. Now that we got that straight where are you going?

For all of you aspiring airline pilots, the advice of some of these people at RAH is over the top. Your first job at a commuter/regional is usually the hardest one to get. With your due diligence you have probably done your homework and weighed the pros and cons of each airline. You will have your top choices and send your resume to them first followed by everybody else. If you do not get your top choices and RAH called you would you not take the interview/job? You would be crazy not to. I believe Beechlover was very fair on his assessment of RAH.
Good luck in your future endeavors.

Let me try to explain. Right now the company has offered us FO's a raise. The only significant raise was to the first year group. From 23 to 30. Everyone else after that got $3 more per hr. Our applicants are few right now. This was a knee jerk reaction to help recruit people. The companies previous offer for the FO group was significantly LESS!

I have been here for a year now and will be getting off of first year pay next month. It has been very difficult to make ends meet this past year but you have to start somewhere. What people on here are saying is accurate and complete. I understand the need to have a job but be forewarned.

There are other places out there that have WAY better work rules and quality of life. Here you will be on reserve for an indefinite period. I have no idea when I will get off this pergatory called reserve. I have know people to be on reserve for 4 years because of the downturn in the economy.
There are bad things about every Jon. Make an informed decision. I wish I wouldn't have taken the first one that came my way. If I had waited just a bit longer I could have gone to Skywest last year. Oh well. Read the website that was put together. It is very good. Good luck!

BOLO! my fellow RAH bro! i meant knowing what i know now back as a applicant, theyd have to pay me more than $30 an hour. this whole place is in trouble...it just not worth the risk of having to scramble and reapply somewhere else this summer or fall.

BOLO...BOLO...BOLO...tisk, tisk, tisk. havent we learned you nuthin?

If you need a job, apply. You'll most likely get called as the company seems to have a hard time attracting people. It's a great pilot group for the most part, and you will be welcomed with arms wide open on the line.

As to honest tellings. Everything you've read has been honest, and true. No one here is trying to sabotage the company, we simply want to be treated fairly. I don't think we're shooting for the sky, but current pay and rules are a joke. As many have said, the contract is not followed by the company, nothing is guaranteed, there are no pay protections, your body will be pushed to the limits as scheduling does not take sleeping patterns or anything for that matter into consideration, you will spend a lot of time sitting at airports between flights not getting paid (this may not sound bad if you're new to 121 ops, but it gets old quickly and wears you down), you will get called on your days off at random hours (no time is off limits even though contract says otherwise), bases close all the time, pilots get displaced out of seniority, we just lost significant flight benefits, etc.

Also, if it comes to a strike you will be put in an awkward position. You're on probation, so you will be threatened with your job once the rest of us walk. I won't go into the whole scab issue. Honestly, I don't think it will come to one. The company will drag it out for as long as they can, may not be much longer if they actually increase pay in a few weeks, but they won't want planes sitting idly, so something will be hashed out before that happens.

Go to that website that's out about what it's like here. Inform yourself, and if it's that bad that you do need the job, then by all means apply and come join the circus. Know you will be stuck here for at least two years since they seem to be enforcing that training contract. Everyone, and their mother, has their resumes out. Let me put it this way, a top 5% guy in company, who's top 5 in base, lives in base, has great QOL, is looking to leave. If that doesn't paint a good picture I don't know what does.

Hope this helps a little.


BOLO,

C'mon man. Nobody here is trying to discourage people from applying or working here. We are fighting a loosing battle for as long as there are new pilots willing to fly for peanuts. The dream is still being sold, but the dream is far from the truth. You know this. It's a loosing battle for you, me, and every pilot, major or regional, for as long as there is a major outsourcing flying, and a race to the bottom as to which regional will get the contract.

Pilots entering the industry in general need to start getting informed about the state of the industry, about the fact that the dream more often ends at the regional level these days. 50% of domestic flying, and climbing. You're not exempt, no one is. How about we fight the good fight together, and put the BS aside when it's about all of us. There is a common cause here. I think you can see that, even though our contract negotiations don't necessarily impact you directly.

Peace...

SSMR, thanks. That is what I have been looking for. I just wanted some opinion from the people there. I have flown on RAH aircraft a few times and I will say you all seem like good people. Good luck with everything there!

Does RAH require newhires to sign a contract?

yes. two year pro rated one

Truer words were never spoken (except for the "loosing", vs. "losing").

The only solution is to demand that CFI's get paid $60-$80 per hour, with a monthly guarantee of 75 hours. That way, they won't go to a regional airlne unless they offer a decent pay scale.

how much is it?

15k... effective once you finish training... 24 months from your date of hire..