RAH $30 1st year pay..yeah, about that..
 

To all those who are interested in being hired at RAH because of the sudden pay raise, please be forewarned. On March 19th, the National Mediation Board (NMB) will be meeting with the company and union to discuss contract negotiations...and....this unauthorized pay adjustment. This adjustment was done outside the prescribed NMB procedure and can be easily be revoked or overturned.

Its only a trick to try and fill classes.

Once RAH is agreed to a new contract and real pay rates are established, then your 1st year pay will be dependable.

Y'all got 30/hr first year?

Damn.

No, not yet. The company claims it will be active April 2nd.

Are the regionals having that hard of a time filling classes now days?

Yah they are. Keep the pay low and the QOL not great for long enough pilots dry up.

Their own fault. Good for us though...... hopefully

By doing this, RAH managment has pretty much quarenteed that first year FO pay will start at atleast $30 an hour, with the new contract. If I were the MEC, I would run with it.

i hope so too....but until its in contractual writing, its just in the RAH imagination.

This pay could go away next week and not return for months. If you risk it and come here for the false $30 pay, and the pilot group strikes...you'll wish you hadn't fallen for the trick.

And your second year pay will be 30.50,third year, 30.75, fourth 31.00, year 5 is a max out of31.50.

dont you all have some long ass upgrade and little movement at RAH???

Wouldnt you want a raise and a bunch of movement??

Yes and yes. Of course we want a raise, but it must be in the form of an agreed contract and not some invented numbers by management. They're trying to avoid correcting all the other shortcomings of the old contract and just bump pay.

Well they are also outta SIM time so nobody is going anywhere..... in fact, they have to park some sirplanes....

...now thats priceless. So new hires will probably have class dates that get pushed back...and back...and back. Is RAH parking planes because they can't train the current pilots as well as new hires? WOW...

The regionals are their own worst enemy. Why on earth would anybody attend a flight school nowadays? Why would somebody attend ERAU, pay $150,000 to go to work for $23,000/year if they're lucky. There is absolutely no return on your educational investment. Even $30,000/year is an insulting offer for any real profession.

So they can stand in front of a mirror and look at their new uniform that they just paid for.
Oh and oh course they will get laid every trip.

....certainly possible....all depends what your preference is!

you need to look at all the options, as a pilot in 5 years you will make 40-50k

as a lawyer, which costs a bit more, you will be making 40-50 for 5-10 years and you actually have to be GOOD at it to make more, not just cruise up the seniority list.

Also as a pilot you get to fly a plane, get 15 days a off a month, and fly a plane for a living.

As a lawyer you get to live in your office and never sleep.

Please tell me this isn't an argument to justify current regional pay scales. If so I am embarrassed for you.

...15 days off? I havent had 15 days off in the 5 years ive been at my airline. Do you have any understanding what commuting and what a non-commutable schedule is? OH, but I get to fly a plane!!!...cause thats what developing and building your life is all about :rolleyes:
where do you get your facts of life from?...a disney movie or something?

Hmm, 1 day after...

I have had 15 and mostly 18 days off a month at Eagle for about 5 months. I was picking up OT and getting paid about 3200/month on first year pay!

I look at my buddys from college, and no one is making even close to what I am, I went to Penn State.

You guys dont realize the US economy sucks, and this country is so in debt that the US dollar is slowly crumbling, just wait till its no longer the worlds reserve currency. That mixed with baby boomers unable to retire, THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR SOMEONE IN THEIR 20s!!!

Being a pilot is great in that regard.

Next you'll say GoJets is a great opportunity... :rolleyes:

Are you 16 years old or something?

You should have added "like" in there a couple of times.

MAYBE you'll make $40-$50k in 5 years. Maybe you'll be on your third airline starting over at $21k/yr...

...or get furloughed multiple times, only to start over at the bottom of the pay scale each time REGARDLESS of your experience...

...which doesn't mean jack-****...

if and when you MIGHT hold a line...

...again, which doesn't mean JACK-****!

Where as a pilot, you get to sleep in a hotel, and never sleep.

WHAT'S YOUR POINT?!

I made over 30k in my first 12 months at Eagle. I also worked the contract and averaged 15 days off and 80hours/month in actual flying. Not bad for being in my early 20s.

Good on you! Give us a progress report at the 5, 10, and 15 yr mark...

What did you pay for your education? That doesn't sound that good for someone in their early twenties. Everyone I went to college with made at least that. My computer friends were all making at least 50k and some were also getting 100k stock options. What did you make in this last year at Eagle? What are your career progression possibilities looking like?

Not true! My brother spent less than a Riddler on his education, and makes almost 500k yearly. He also get to set his own hours, and gets 6 weeks of paid vacation a year, as an attorney!

This guy is obviously trying to stir the pot. NOBODY could be this clueless.

Agreed. I think a hard dose of reality will hit when he has to make a lateral move.

Somebody needs to put together an Embry-Riddle reality tour for the kids presently enrolled. I can't imagine the potency of the Kool-Aid these kids are drinking. I'd love to hear their responses to the reality of paying $170,000 to get out and make $30,000/year (years after they graduate and obtain their ATP...and if the industry is actually hiring).

And this is why Eagle is furloughing 50 of us...

This is getting crazy! I agree with you again!
Can I still hang out in your kitchen?

What? :confused: Not sure if serious...

3200/month!!!! Wow. How are you making so much money? That equates to about twice minimum wage. You are getting paid the equivalent of two workers! I'm impressed.

$3200 per month was 2nd year F/E (that's flight engineer) in 1985! I wouldn't be so proud about it. Is your writing an example of Penn State education? I'm not impressed.

GF

They salivate for quick upgrades and then after 5-10 years, as RJ captains, they complain they aren't making decent money compared to most of their college buddies that went into other fields and make a lot more then them. They complain there are no jobs at United or Delta, etc. and that they are "stuck" at the regionals.

All the while never realizing that the philosophy of "more RJ's and quick upgrades" just imprisons them in the jail they made for themselves. As long as there are hungry, debt-ridden, SJS-infected pilots out there, managements will see that as an increasingly cheaper option to place more flying, thus hardening their own prison keys.

I hate to say it, but fully 2/3 of current regional pilots will never see a major airline pilots position and are for all intents and purposes "lifers" at their carriers. Some just wont find a slot, due to competition and others will simply fall into some arbitrary negative (like age) through no fault of their own. As the majors relinquish more flying to larger RJ's, these carriers become the career stop for many. However, since they are not stand-alone airlines, but function on short-term outsourcing contracts of another, their compensation is effectively and successfully held down to the levels they are...........in perpituity.

Truly a bleak scenario for a large precentage of the current and future Airlinii Pilotus.

.....in 1985 dollars !

The combination of Airlinii Pilotus and SJS can result in a terrible case of intoxicated delusion, frequently resulting in frustrated anti-socialism. Most of these guys have many years ahead of them kicking garbage cans around the crew room and drop-kicking the family cat on days off when they're not sitting in the back yard with a six-pack (of Blatz light) in a lawn-chair, ****ed off.

You forgot to add "and all the while accusing any regional Captain of 8 years seniority or more of being a Lifer and hogging my seat....."