Pinnacle Corp. Payroll Issues
03-26-2012 | 06:42 AM
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The MEC are doing exactly what they should be doing: compiling data and addressing issues on a macro scale. The various committees, however, are working through numerous individual issues, along with collective ones as well. Additionally, they've communicated clearly with the membership on what the appropriate actions are to correct individual payroll issues.
Please, if you feel this is not what should be done, enlighten us on what YOU would do.
Please, if you feel this is not what should be done, enlighten us on what YOU would do.
Bump to let the all knowing Sticky answer the question so us simple folk won't have this problem next time.
03-27-2012 | 03:29 PM
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Dude needed to watch Office Space a few more times. You steal fractions of pennies, not $20K at a time......an IT guy should know better.
03-27-2012 | 03:47 PM
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instead of expecting alpa to save the day, maybe you should be perusing alpa itself. way do these payroll issues happen at the "regionals", but almost never at a "mainline"?.....the answer is they know then can and theres nothing YOURE going to do about it. theyre making money on your money.
03-27-2012 | 03:53 PM
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I'll take a stab at this one. One reason could be that mainline actually tests programs and properly trains their payroll people how to use them, and has experienced people in payroll, rather than the pinnacle "shove it down our throats and learn as we go" method. Plus wouldn't ALPA want us to get paid so they can get their 2%?
03-27-2012 | 05:46 PM
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im pretty far from all knowing. however, i do know some things. one of those things is if you rely on others to do your fighting for you, you will be disappointed. sitting around reading alpa letters and waiting for someone else to take care if it if achieve nothing.
instead of expecting alpa to save the day, maybe you should be perusing alpa itself. way do these payroll issues happen at the "regionals", but almost never at a "mainline"?.....the answer is they know then can and theres nothing YOURE going to do about it. theyre making money on your money.
instead of expecting alpa to save the day, maybe you should be perusing alpa itself. way do these payroll issues happen at the "regionals", but almost never at a "mainline"?.....the answer is they know then can and theres nothing YOURE going to do about it. theyre making money on your money.
To that point, your statement above does not elucidate any sound corrective plan. In fact, it seems to prove you have little knowledge of what's actually the driving force in these issues. Mooney outlined some of the Pinnacle issues above....and these aren't unique to Pinnacle, unfortunately.
So?
03-28-2012 | 05:13 AM
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if theres anyone here is pretending to put their big boy paints on today, its you. look, payroll is a very VERY simple obligation for a business to calculate. when employees see errors, theyre not really errors, but instead deliberate reductions. these deliberate reductions are usually caused by two reasons:
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
03-28-2012 | 05:19 AM
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if theres anyone here is pretending to put their big boy paints on today, its you. look, payroll is a very VERY simple obligation for a business to calculate. when employees see errors, theyre not really errors, but instead deliberate reductions. these deliberate reductions are usually caused by two reasons:
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
03-28-2012 | 06:32 AM
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if theres anyone here is pretending to put their big boy paints on today, its you. look, payroll is a very VERY simple obligation for a business to calculate. when employees see errors, theyre not really errors, but instead deliberate reductions. these deliberate reductions are usually caused by two reasons:
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
1. the company doesnt have the crash to meet full payroll. instead of simply not paying some, they choose to skim off the top of some to make it look like an error.
2. the company wishes to withhold portion payroll and make money on that money knowing their employees wont/cant do anything about it.
either reason is extremely gutsy. however, you can almost certainly remove the first possibility because even bankrupt AA still meets payroll. thats how easy payroll is and AA knows if they start screwing with pay checks, all bloody hell will break loose. they actually know it and fear it.
the second reason is most likely the reason. plenty of companies practice this routinely... especially businesses that employ very low skill workers that lack the knowledge to calculate their pay, or the owners of the business are so far removed from the day-to-day operation that they dont worry about any sort of penalty or issues.
......your company is punking YOU. until you do something about, other than read union chants, it wont stop. your union could send 100 letters a day and it wont change anything....not until YOU do something about it. what YOU do is your own choice and there are serval effective things a large group of individuals can do.
So in short these payroll issues are an indication that the future of this company as a viable entity is doubt. Put it together. CFO bails, CEO and COO are paid blood money to stay, and banks won't lend money. This ain't lookin good folks.
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