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Sounder 04-04-2012 11:15 PM

Also, the Colgan crash really set the turboprop back in the public's mindset and made them believe that less experienced pilots were flying them in the first place. Believe me, when I flew the Q I didn't want to believe it either, but like I said it's night and day difference in passengers. Even if their logic is complete BS.

zildjian_zach 04-04-2012 11:30 PM

I'm glad I could participate in derailing this thread, but I've lost interest in this silliness.

BTW, the guy that said C5 can barely keep their current planes up and running... well, yeah... that.

Sounder 04-04-2012 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by zildjian_zach (Post 1164273)
I'm glad I could participate in derailing this thread, but I've lost interest in this silliness.

BTW, the guy that said C5 can barely keep their current planes up and running... well, yeah... that.

Unfortunately, just because an airline couldn't keep up with their current flying doesn't mean they wouldn't go for a lot more.

visceral 04-05-2012 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by Sounder (Post 1164258)
I flown Q's and RJ's, and I can personally say we get about 10% of the complaints about the jet, that we got about the Q. It seemed like everyone and their mother complained about how they were flying on a "propeller plane", while very few people complain about the "small jet".

What passengers really hate and complain about is being told that their 50 seat ERJ can only take 41 people. No worries, the next flight is a jet that leaves...tomorrow.

DENpilot 04-05-2012 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by visceral (Post 1164288)
What passengers really hate and complain about is being told that their 50 seat ERJ can only take 41 people. No worries, the next flight is a jet that leaves...tomorrow.

In the last year at Express, I can think of 1 time that we were weight restricted. Out of MCI to DEN, carrying an alternate, 20 or so military guys who check 15+ heavy bags and maxed out our cargo bin. We took 10 bags out and they sent them on a flight an hour later and we went out full.

AxialFlow 04-05-2012 05:42 AM

Why bother leasing to financially strapped US regionals?
Bombardier Q400 NextGen Airliner Heads to Calgary for WestJet Visit - MarketWatch

Geronimo4497 04-05-2012 06:03 AM

My money is on Chuck Jr. and company buying the certificate back. ;)

crabinow16 04-05-2012 06:13 AM

I am pretty sure PDT could ramp up to operate the Q but it will never happen so I might as well have never posted.

DashGirl 04-05-2012 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1164262)
I think the regional industry is trending back to the way it used to be call it EAS type flights in which case the TP makes sense imo. You mentioned RJ styled stage length and it’s funny because I see many RJ’s flying city pairs that make no sense using them. Bring the flying back to mainline on appropriately sized aircraft for the route! I do agree maybe there should be updated 50 seater props back on the market because I don’t see the EAS markets dying like you view it.

Again you have not been paying attention. Though Congress recently voted for extending EAS subsidies that expire in 2013 out to 2015, they also restricted new entrants - meaning no new EAS contracts. Additionally, part of the extension agreement was to allow carriers that currently have EAS contracts to drop out of those contracts in 2013 if they wish without penalty. The industry is NOT trending back in the way you suggest. As a whole it is downsizing. Delta, US Airways both due to financial concerns and the slot swap will be ceasing regional service into as many as 30 markets over the next 10 to 12 months. Delta has also pulled out of every EAS market where it's EAS contract allowed it to do so.

The reality is that the economics of this industry no long support scheduled air carrier service into small town America. The "hub and spoke" system of the airline industry as it stands today is simply not economically sustainable and it is going through significant downsizing right now. This is not a guess or an opinion, this IS happening. The nonsensical city pairs you refer too are that way due to contractual requirements. If anything this should tell you that the factors behind airframe selection on certain routes is a far more complex issue then fuel burn.

The other issue you have working against you is that turboprop technology has matured. TPs are not going to get any more efficient then they already are and Turbofan technology is rapidly closing the gap of fuel burn between the two power plant types. It was simply inevitable that TP's would eventually see their end in US pax service. Though they will certainly carry on in small numbers for several more years what you will not see is an expansion of TP's at any carrier.

amcnd 04-05-2012 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1164316)
Why bother leasing to financially strapped US regionals?
Bombardier Q400 NextGen Airliner Heads to Calgary for WestJet Visit - MarketWatch

Westjets first airplanes were old SWA planes... I think they would go for used cheap planes, over new From the factory...


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