Kalamazoo

........Nvmd

Salukipilot4590

....so nobody flight instructs anymore?

Damn have times changed...

Wingtips

no students! Skydive/tow rag/survey/buy your own time are the options now a days.

In 2014 when dones takeover, it will only be skydive pilots left.

Counselor

This. Late last year Eagle was hiring like mad before the bankruptcy, and it looked like it was going to be another 2007-type hiring spree. Now, with the economy heating up, 65-year olds about to come of age, and the new 1500-hour/ATP rule, where are regionals going to find bodies to fill their classes?

No, I'm not salivating about a coming "pilot shortage." But regional airline personnel managers have got to be wondering where they are going to get the bodies, especially when an ATP might get you something more decent than a regional FO gig.

coryk

I bet airline managers like Dan Gorton will lobby for the ATP rule to be watered down to nothing, or there will be some pipeline to train pilots. Who knows.

BoilerUP

Just one reason among many why there won't be "the great pilot shortage":

Regionals can't or won't provide a good enough compensation package to recruit & retain enough pilots to meet their CPA performance obligations. After a few months of crew-related cancellations, mainline carriers will shrink and/or terminate those CPAs as allowed per terms of their agreements. RJs will be parked at a rate far greater than mainline adds new, larger airframes.

Total number of regional airframes shrinks, total number of mainline airframes goes up marginally, total number of pilots required remains more or less the same.

AtlCSIP

Essentially, you can eliminate two or three RJ's for every Mad Dog or 737 that comes on-line. When the "shortage" occurs, I would add those aircraft, eliminate RJ'S and decrease frequency while maintaining number of seats, if I was Delta, American, etc. I don't believe the regionals will go away, but I definitely see the number of aircraft going down, as will the number of pilots required.

seafeye

Anyone notice a lack of quality new hires lately?
Talk about entitlement syndrome.....

Radials Rule

Not true. For the purposes of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an ATP, any flight from point A to B, even if the airports are 1NM apart can be logged as cross-country time .

Reference;
61.1 b 4 c (ii)


(ii) does not list ATP

What

You are not reading the whole regulation, on your quote it states except (b)(4)vi), this is the ATP part of the reg

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...xpandSection=2

61.1 (b)(4) Cross-country time means--


(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(4)(ii) through (b)(4)(vi) of this section, time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that-

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that -

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.