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Old 04-09-2012 | 08:49 PM
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61.1 (b)(4) Cross-country time means--


(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(4)(ii) through (b)(4)(vi) of this section, time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.


(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

If you really want to be sly about it nowhere in the regulations does it say the landings have to be at an airport. Off airport landings can count too, (farmer's fields, golf courses, Interstate highways, floating museum carrier decks) but that would probably make for an interesting interview at the airlines.
I had to answer some tough questions at the interview for the airline i work for regarding flying under a house....

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Old 04-09-2012 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by throttleweenie
I had to answer some tough questions at the interview for the airline i work for regarding flying under a house....

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Please if you will, can you elaborate for us what flying under a house means. I thought I heard it all but I'm interested to hear this one
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Old 04-10-2012 | 02:51 AM
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"Shortage" might not be the right word, but there WILL be movement starting soon.

A few years ago everyone said that US Airways had so many furloughs that they probably wouldn't hire for a decade. They're hiring. AA and United are routinely pre-cancelling flights due to lack of crew. The UPS furloughs are largely a negotiating tactic.

The retirements start in December and some airlines stand to lose enormous numbers of pilots.

I don't like 'shortage' but the years of stagnation should at least come to an end.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
I feel slightly jaded about this shortage thing. I was starting to buy into it a couple years ago, but on age 65 eve, I just don't see things being that crazy hiring wise. Plus American, Eagle, PinnaColAba are furloughing/going to furlough-United, UPS guys on the street (and somebody fill in the other pilot groups on the street.). If I am not mistaken he bullish 2012 hiring projections have turned into a whimper..

No shortage. I think we would need a bubble economy like 07 to get a shortage. Otherwise the bean counters have too many cards left to play.
Block30: I make no promises, but I think you've got to give it about another year to really know for sure. I think they'll be evidence of it late this year, but if it's going to start to happen, you'll see it first quarter of 2013 when major pilots are really starting to retire and we are closing in on the ATP rule.

I got in late last year, and told myself I'm giving this a solid 24 months. If things were not moving well by then, I'll probably get out. But if so, it will have been well worth the risk.
24 months might not be enough time. Its a wave based industry.

There's a TON of retirentns near the end of the decade. Assuming some guys take an early out I think next year we'll see some churn then 2014 it really starts motoring up.

There will not be a shortage at the majors for a long time, but the regionals will feel it very soon. There's already a panic as to where guys are going to come from in about 5-10 years.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hurricanechaser
Please if you will, can you elaborate for us what flying under a house means. I thought I heard it all but I'm interested to hear this one
It's a dangerous practice which caused a fatal broomstrike in Oz.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by saab2000
"Shortage" might not be the right word, but there WILL be movement starting soon.

A few years ago everyone said that US Airways had so many furloughs that they probably wouldn't hire for a decade. They're hiring. AA and United are routinely pre-cancelling flights due to lack of crew. The UPS furloughs are largely a negotiating tactic.

The retirements start in December and some airlines stand to lose enormous numbers of pilots.

I don't like 'shortage' but the years of stagnation should at least come to an end.
USAir stopped hiring in Feb bc of the rumored AA merge. Should be interesting joining the two airlines with the highest attrition rate.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I was under the impression they had taken all the teeth out of this rule anyway. Graduates from accredited aviation universities are going to get credit towards that 1500 hours from taking classes. "You took Commercial Pilot ground school; here's 200 hours towards your 1500 the regionals requre. Congrats" I hope I'm exagerating but I'm not sure whether I am. There will be no shortage, there is always something around the corner to solve it. The flight and duty time regulations are going to cause a bunch of international flights that are currently flying augmented crews to fly unaugmented so that offsets some retirements, capacity will shrink some that will offset some retirements. I'm just skeptical of a pilot shortage.
I think the issue won't be lack of pilots, but lack of loans to pay for training. School loans are the next bubble to burst IMO, as everyone is going to college spending lots of money doing so, only to graduate with no job and unable to pay back their loans.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 06:30 AM
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There goes great lakes lol
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Old 04-10-2012 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Essentially, you can eliminate two or three RJ's for every Mad Dog or 737 that comes on-line. When the "shortage" occurs, I would add those aircraft, eliminate RJ'S and decrease frequency while maintaining number of seats, if I was Delta, American, etc. I don't believe the regionals will go away, but I definitely see the number of aircraft going down, as will the number of pilots required.
Isnt this what we want though? More mainline flying regardless of the need.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearRight
The 1500 hours won't be your issue. The 500 XC is going to be your problem.
No I'm not a incompetent flight instructor... at about 450 XC now.
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