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Tsuda 04-23-2012 06:13 AM

Wingtips, EGL will not give you an ATP. You will have to earn it. Just ask a lot of the recent upgrades, its not a gimme.

AcesHigh 04-23-2012 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1173547)
Cool story bro, but no one cares, most people have huge debts, can not live on 40k/yr. I am in a similar boat as you, as I did it 61 from an inheritance, but no one give a crud. See ya on the street.


Most people can't live on 40k a year because that's what all goes through their head. CANT.

It's easily feasible. It's all about how you handle your money and budgeting.

And I can bet Rick has a little more than that on his shoulders than just what hes said and STILL living comfortably on his Eagle 2nd year pay.

I care, and reason being, if Rick can do it, anybody can. Nobody's situation is going to be the same, but I can tell ya pretty darn similar.

buddies8 04-23-2012 06:49 AM

then he does not need a pay raise as first officer at the expense of captains pay.
People should never mention if they can survive on there current pay, that is a no-no.
So you mean you can survive with your pay, because I budget, how much is the dog food cost these days and does it come in three meal a day packages.

Bruno82 04-24-2012 09:13 PM

As an AE FO, I survived as the sole source of income with a wife, son, and home. We had to be frugal, but we made it.

snippercr 04-25-2012 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by AcesHigh (Post 1174295)
Most people can't live on 40k a year because that's what all goes through their head. CANT.

It's easily feasible. It's all about how you handle your money and budgeting.

And I can bet Rick has a little more than that on his shoulders than just what hes said and STILL living comfortably on his Eagle 2nd year pay.

I care, and reason being, if Rick can do it, anybody can. Nobody's situation is going to be the same, but I can tell ya pretty darn similar.

I'd imagine a lot of it depends on where you live too, which is part of the living frugally. Cost of living can be a huge determining factor and since pay is not adjusted based on where we live - one person living comfortably on first year pay could be way off of how another person is living.

Whacker77 04-25-2012 11:18 AM

Will the recent furloughs of 50 pilots be the last for a while, or are others in the works? In December, the number project was closer to 120.

Yuuuup 04-25-2012 12:30 PM

I thought the last email from the union (for what its worth) said that mgmt would be assessing those numbers mid-may

Wingtips 04-25-2012 01:40 PM

it seemed by the email the union feels like more are to come, but have no idea as usual, and will know more mid may. Has the ORD LEC held a meeting yet?? You all in ORD should be livid.

Whacker77 04-25-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1175784)
it seemed by the email the union feels like more are to come, but have no idea as usual, and will know more mid may. Has the ORD LEC held a meeting yet?? You all in ORD should be livid.

So sad to hear that more may be on the way. The back half of this year may resemble 2008 on a smaller scale. Something's going on with the economy that's not good right now. If things were improving, we wouldn't be here. That's my view and I'm sure others will disagree.

jetstream11 04-25-2012 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1175784)
it seemed by the email the union feels like more are to come, but have no idea as usual, and will know more mid may. Has the ORD LEC held a meeting yet?? You all in ORD should be livid.

What happened in ORD?


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