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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1168740)

I would just lie. They don't actually check PRIA. That would cost money. I requested my NDR record and it said no company have ever requested my NDR record. It should have been checked 3 times by now. Cheap companies do cheap background checks. If it is a good non-cheap company then tell the truth.

Don't listen to this. Although the PRIA requests do cost money and they wont pay for a request to interview you, they will do one if they eventually hire you. If they find out after the fact they will have no problem removing you from class. Now try explaining a PC failure and a firing...

You can just lie at the next interview about getting fired. They won't check. It cost money. Eventually you will get to an airline where they won't find out. If they find out just say you quit and walked off the job and they must have been mad and fired you after you already quit.

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1168752)

No. No. No.

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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1168735)

So you were running abnormal checklist and the PM was actually PF at the time. Why would he be doing anything other than flying? You said you were doing something else. Shouldn't it have been the checklist since in fact you were now PM?

It seems there may be more to the story.

I believe he is an FO taking a recurrent PC by himself so he was referring to the check airman who was sitting seat support for him in the left seat as the PM for the whole flight.

Regional,
Sorry to hear about your experience, man. It sucks that you use your judgement when the checklist says "as required" and the guy signing the papers thinks you should have done something else.

As far as future employment I wouldn't worry about it too much. Come up with a good story about what you did wrong and like others have said make most of the story about how you have become a better pilot because of it and no one will care about 1 failure.

what equipment are you on?

Crack pipe that is the worst advice ever!

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1168752)

With advice like this, who needs enemies.... Crack, where do you work exactly?

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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 1168791)

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1168752)

With advice like this, who needs enemies.... Crack, where do you work exactly?

McDonald's.

Regional,

One improperly run checklist does not generally result in a recurrent check ride failure unless it was so poorly run that the CKA does not think that you can be retrained, or you had already used up your allowed two TTP (Train to proficiency) items. Had you already had unsat items during the check ride that were retrained?

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 1168691)

FYI, the story you wrote is not the story you want to tell @ your next interview. Too long, for starters. It also sounds like its not your fault, but rather the LCA's fault for not hearing the whole conversation, or the seat support guys fault for leaving certain items on. That may very well be the case, but you can't say that in an interview. I've quoted the parts you need to take out.

Here's your new story:

I mistakenly allowed certain de-icing items to be left on when they were not supposed to be on during an abnormal checklist. I misinterpreted a conditional statement in the checklist as "if you are using it" vs. "if it is required by conditions". I learned that checklist discipline is important. The checklist is there to enhance safety, and it is important for me to use every resource at my disposal in a situation to bring the highest level of safety to my flying. I haven't had any training issues since. . . . Or something like that.

It's my fault, this is what I learned from it, and I'm a better pilot for it. I am safe, I have good CRM, and I don't have a record of training failures. Mention the failure, take ownership of it, and then spend the majority of your answer on why you're a better pilot b/c of it. The training failure doesn't define you, it enhances your skill set.

Any pilot who's been in this industry for awhile either has a checking failure or deserved one, but was lucky enough to not get one through a benevolent evaluator or one who just didn't catch the mistake. It's not a big deal to make a mistake. It's how you handle the mistake and what you learn from it that is the key, especially in an interview.

Sniper is soooo right. Not only is what he said the right thing to say in an interview, it's the right way to look at these things in general. If you take the constructive attitude, and it sounds like you are already leaning that way, and then express it in the way sniper described, you might just turn an unsat into a positive moment in your next interview.

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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1168740)

Every airline I know of checks PRIA stuff from the previous employer. At my current employer they actually had three different ways of checking and used all three (Our VP Flight Ops was asked, they had our records available via their computer and they got the PRIA copies). The worst situation in the world would be to get your dream job, then get fired for lying, even though it was something that they would have hired you with anyway.

One failed check ride is not the kiss of death. In fact, some airlines are kind of famous for handing out pink slips. For a while the bust rate on ASA's E120 Captain upgrade got up near 80%. Those doing the hiring at major airlines are usually selected for the job because they are some of the sharpest and nicest Captains at that airline.

Standards should be standardized. Anyone who has been in this business for a while know standards are all over the place and the APD / LCA does seem to give you a break for having a lot of experience compared to the relatively tight realm of testing for initial upgrades (either that, or they have managed to teach me something over the years).