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Diver Driver 04-13-2012 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by regional (Post 1168831)
As in do another checklist? No, he said to look at it again. I explained my reasoning, and he failed me. (i guess because he thought I was oblivious??)

In a non-FAA checkride (PC, LOFT, not an ATP ride), you get '3 strikes' or train to proficiency items. (Most carriers do this. I think it's part of the AQP/IOSA environment) If you mess something up, you go back and do it again. Can do this up to 3 times per ride. When you messed up what you did, were you allowed to go back and do it again to correct the issue, or did they just fail you?

If it's the latter, go to your union's training committee, explain everything and get guidance from them. Likely, since it's over, nothing can be done, but if your LCA did you wrong, his/her actions can be corrected for the future.

Silverwings 04-13-2012 11:14 AM

This may seem as a stupid question, but I saw a few references about how a failure stays in your record for 5 years only.
Is this true for any type of checkride failure or for 121 only? Does it mean you don't have to disclose them after 5 years?

Thanks!

JOHNSCHR 04-13-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Diver Driver (Post 1168904)
In a non-FAA checkride (PC, LOFT, not an ATP ride), you get '3 strikes' or train to proficiency items. (Most carriers do this. I think it's part of the AQP/IOSA environment) If you mess something up, you go back and do it again. Can do this up to 3 times per ride. When you messed up what you did, were you allowed to go back and do it again to correct the issue, or did they just fail you?

If it's the latter, go to your union's training committee, explain everything and get guidance from them. Likely, since it's over, nothing can be done, but if your LCA did you wrong, his/her actions can be corrected for the future.

If you have 1 TTP event on a PC, will it show on your PRIA report? Or is it only after 3 that the PC is considered "unsat" or "failed"

Diver Driver 04-13-2012 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by JOHNSCHR (Post 1168907)
If you have 1 TTP event on a PC, will it show on your PRIA report? Or is it only after 3 that the PC is considered "unsat" or "failed"

I don't believe that it does, it's just a training thing then. After 3 it's an unsat, IIRC.

regional 04-13-2012 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Diver Driver (Post 1168904)
In a non-FAA checkride (PC, LOFT, not an ATP ride), you get '3 strikes' or train to proficiency items. (Most carriers do this. I think it's part of the AQP/IOSA environment)

Yea, AQP was supposed to be implemented in the "near future."

727574drvr 04-13-2012 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by regional (Post 1168914)
Yea, AQP was supposed to be implemented in the "near future."

Regional, give yourself a break. I have been doing the 121 thing for a bit of time now and I have run across plenty of Ck Airmen who like to play "stump the dummy". Those that do that are doing it because of something they know about themselves deep down inside. A good Chk Airman would have recognized this as an excellent teaching opportunity, hit the freeze button, had a quick chat, and then go. I would imagine you are competent and safe pilot. I had a friend who in 1998 failed his B727 Captain Initial Checkride and in 2000 got hired by Continental. Listen to Warren and some of the other guys who have been around the block and not those who just got here last week. Keep yo' head up amigo!!!! Captain L :)

RonWeasley 04-13-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by JOHNSCHR (Post 1168907)
If you have 1 TTP event on a PC, will it show on your PRIA report? Or is it only after 3 that the PC is considered "unsat" or "failed"

It will. I just gave notice at my current employer after choosing from three, and received three sets of PRIA paperwork since I had checked off the box. Each set included initial ground and flight training, recurrent training, and all of the PC checks. Also attached was all the FAA stuff, which includes certificates and ratings, and medical.

JetBlast77 04-13-2012 12:25 PM

People keep mentioning that 121 busts are only on your record for 5 years.....isn't it different now? I thought after the Colgan crash everything is on your record forever?

cal73 04-13-2012 12:41 PM

Do not get too down on yourself for this. Interviewers don't want to hear about how perfect you are. They want to hear that you have made mistakes in the past and have learned from them. You will have then become a better pilot for it. This process will continue throughout your career. Whatever you do though...DO NOT try and say that the instructor screwed you. That will get you a rejection letter.

CrakPipeOvrheat 04-13-2012 01:00 PM

In 5 years it will be like it never happened and then you can get a new job. The only way they will find out is if you have a bad accident. My failure was 4 years ago so in a year I won't have any failures.


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