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Old 04-14-2012 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LostInPA
Not too sure about that....
According to some older Pinnacle financials:
2007 annual report shows Colgan with a $4.5 million operating loss in 2007.
Also, 10-K for 2008 showed a $7.9 operating loss for 2008.


All of this was available at Pinnacle's Investor Relations site at
Welcome to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. - Investor Relations - Annual Reports

My point being, even with the lesser labor costs of the previous contract and lower fuel costs the operation still lost money.
You are correct. People just assume that Colgan made money because they flew props at low wages. The flip side is with $100+ oil, half full planes, plus major mx costs, it is hard to not lose money.
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Old 04-14-2012 | 12:53 PM
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You are correct. People just assume that Colgan made money because they flew props at low wages. The flip side is with $100+ oil, half full planes, plus major mx costs, it is hard to not lose money.
I guess that's why Silver asked for as much money as they did. And with oil going up, who knows if that will be enough in the future. I'll be curious to see the reaction from the DOT.
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Old 04-14-2012 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
And for all of you guys who will be gearing up for the Saab, I have 2 words for you: "Rudder Limiter," have fun with that!
The reason why they had rudder limiter problems non-stop for a while turned out that they were installing them upside down and when they removed the old one they just put the new one back in the same way they took it out.

The Saab is a fun to fly but is a little heavier on the controls than you would expect. You really can make it do anything you want. 249 to four miles out and high, "No problem". You will definitely like having an autopilot too. Not sure if you guys will have fms but all of ours are /a so that is a downside.
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Old 04-14-2012 | 05:49 PM
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It can be a little heavy in roll feel but not really for pitch as long as you don't fly it untrimmed. 250 to the marker can definitely be done and be stable by 500 on a visual. With the higher flap settings on both t/o and landing you can get into and out of anywhere. The cockpit is roomier than the Brasilia and the no fms thing really isn't really that big of deal. We fly it on short hops and once you know your routes then you don't have to pull out en-route charts or spend time setting the thing up. It has stiff main gear so you wont get a squeaker every time but that just makes it sweeter when you do. The autopilot is fantastic, works good, lasts long time.

I really think its a great airplane to fly. The only real complaint is no APU so when its hot outside you will get a nice case of what we like to call Saab a**.
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Old 04-15-2012 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
It can be a little heavy in roll feel but not really for pitch as long as you don't fly it untrimmed. 250 to the marker can definitely be done and be stable by 500 on a visual. With the higher flap settings on both t/o and landing you can get into and out of anywhere. The cockpit is roomier than the Brasilia and the no fms thing really isn't really that big of deal. We fly it on short hops and once you know your routes then you don't have to pull out en-route charts or spend time setting the thing up. It has stiff main gear so you wont get a squeaker every time but that just makes it sweeter when you do. The autopilot is fantastic, works good, lasts long time.

I really think its a great airplane to fly. The only real complaint is no APU so when its hot outside you will get a nice case of what we like to call Saab a**.
250 to the marker, so I am assuming you hang everything out and start making a lot of noise with the props going forward, not even pull out your charts because you have it memorized! But you will fly it cheaper, so I will loose my job to your sh!ty airline... Flying like this is fun for a pilot but you are there to transport passengers from point A to point B in safe and confutable matter. Please be a professional pilot!
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Old 04-15-2012 | 06:11 AM
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250 to the marker, so I am assuming you hang everything out and start making a lot of noise with the props going forward, not even pull out your charts because you have it memorized! But you will fly it cheaper, so I will loose my job to your sh!ty airline... Flying like this is fun for a pilot but you are there to transport passengers from point A to point B in safe and confutable matter. Please be a professional pilot!
Nothing wrong with 250 to the marker, and the charts should have been out a long time prior to that, with the briefing done.

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Old 04-15-2012 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
Nothing wrong with 250 to the marker, and the charts should have been out a long time prior to that, with the briefing done.
Exactly. What "charts" do you need inside the marker? I guess he means "checklist."
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Old 04-15-2012 | 07:25 AM
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250 to the marker, so I am assuming you hang everything out and start making a lot of noise with the props going forward, not even pull out your charts because you have it memorized! But you will fly it cheaper, so I will loose my job to your sh!ty airline... Flying like this is fun for a pilot but you are there to transport passengers from point A to point B in safe and confutable matter. Please be a professional pilot!
Didnt know republic was so spectacular
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Old 04-15-2012 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Didnt know republic was so spectacular
They don't worry about that stuff, they shoot apps regardless of info or wx, CLE is what I'm talking about
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Old 04-15-2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by What
250 to the marker, so I am assuming you hang everything out and start making a lot of noise with the props going forward, not even pull out your charts because you have it memorized! But you will fly it cheaper, so I will loose my job to your sh!ty airline... Flying like this is fun for a pilot but you are there to transport passengers from point A to point B in safe and confutable matter. Please be a professional pilot!
Someone needs a cup of coffee.
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