Early Brake Release= Shenanigans?
04-18-2012, 04:44 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Flying Illini
Close MCD
Drop Brake
Call for push
Call ramp back to cancel the push b/c you are missing ground personnel.
Now the problem is United's ground personnel, not when you dropped the brake.
Drop Brake
Call for push
Call ramp back to cancel the push b/c you are missing ground personnel.
Now the problem is United's ground personnel, not when you dropped the brake.
Call for push as door closes
Drop Brake
Wait for Ramp/Ground to ask why you're not pushing
Through United under the bus
Note: You want to "Clear’d to Push" prior to MCD and Brake drop so do it as doors closing in order to allow time for Ramp/Ground response.
04-18-2012, 04:50 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Flying Illini
Close MCD
Drop Brake
Call for push
Call ramp back to cancel the push b/c you are missing ground personnel.
Now the problem is United's ground personnel, not when you dropped the brake.
Drop Brake
Call for push
Call ramp back to cancel the push b/c you are missing ground personnel.
Now the problem is United's ground personnel, not when you dropped the brake.
04-18-2012, 04:52 PM
#13
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just blame it on ground ops, not like that isn't the case 90% of the time.
on the express side at terminal a they are trying to get us to open the doors as soon as we park instead of waiting for the bags, always fun having 74 people milling around that area with 15ft props.
on the express side at terminal a they are trying to get us to open the doors as soon as we park instead of waiting for the bags, always fun having 74 people milling around that area with 15ft props.
04-18-2012, 04:52 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
1. Drop brake
2. Call for push
3. Wait 10 seconds
4. Call ramp and tell them that you had an issue pop up and that you'll need to cancel the clearance and call them back when you're ready again.
2. Call for push
3. Wait 10 seconds
4. Call ramp and tell them that you had an issue pop up and that you'll need to cancel the clearance and call them back when you're ready again.
A lot of this ties into the whole getting paid to deice thing.
04-18-2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WeaselBoy
On the S5 side of RAH we occasionally get threat memos concerning "Early Brake Release" (EBR) warnings on the United side. They claim that United is tracking the time from our ACARS blocks us out (brake release) to the time we call for push. According to our management, United provides an average EBR time. United's goal is one minute.
Recently, our management put out a new threat memo that since our EBR is averaging over two minutes, that United wants to change our ACARS block out to register during aircraft movement, not door closed with brakes released.
Is any other United Express carrier hearing this is? Or, is this another way our management is just trying to lower our blocks hour to save paying aircrews?
Recently, our management put out a new threat memo that since our EBR is averaging over two minutes, that United wants to change our ACARS block out to register during aircraft movement, not door closed with brakes released.
Is any other United Express carrier hearing this is? Or, is this another way our management is just trying to lower our blocks hour to save paying aircrews?
04-18-2012, 06:01 PM
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At Mesaba now Pinnacle, we always leave a good ten minutes early under Delta Colors, especially when leaving all the old Saab Cities around the upper Midwest. Never heard any complaints about it. If the door was closed early you could always blame it on the anti skid test on the CRJ200 that requires the brake to be released during the test. Not my problem if the door happened to be closed before the test. Haha! .....kind of weird how United seems to be obsessed with not leaving early.
04-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Happened all the time to us at Mesa. They changed our ACARS to brake release with oil pressure on both engines. That ended the harrasment quickly.
04-18-2012, 06:15 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by BS in proflight
At Mesaba now Pinnacle, we always leave a good ten minutes early under Delta Colors, especially when leaving all the old Saab Cities around the upper Midwest. Never heard any complaints about it. If the door was closed early you could always blame it on the anti skid test on the CRJ200 that requires the brake to be released during the test. Not my problem if the door happened to be closed before the test. Haha! .....kind of weird how United seems to be obsessed with not leaving early.
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