Early Brake Release= Shenanigans?
04-19-2012 | 08:35 AM
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Do any airlines still use the rotating beacon as a "trigger" for logging time? That is a bad practice, IMHO, because it misuses a safety warning and will eventually dilute its cautionary effect. I think crews should be paid as soon as the door is closed, but the beacon should only be used for engine operation or aircraft movement.
04-19-2012 | 08:38 AM
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Do any airlines still use the rotating beacon as a "trigger" for logging time? That is a bad practice, IMHO, because it misuses a safety warning and will eventually dilute its cautionary effect. I think crews should be paid as soon as they report for duty, but the beacon should only be used for engine operation or aircraft movement.
04-19-2012 | 08:48 AM
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At Mesaba now Pinnacle, we always leave a good ten minutes early under Delta Colors, especially when leaving all the old Saab Cities around the upper Midwest. Never heard any complaints about it. If the door was closed early you could always blame it on the anti skid test on the CRJ200 that requires the brake to be released during the test. Not my problem if the door happened to be closed before the test. Haha! .....kind of weird how United seems to be obsessed with not leaving early.
04-19-2012 | 02:18 PM
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Do any airlines still use the rotating beacon as a "trigger" for logging time? That is a bad practice, IMHO, because it misuses a safety warning and will eventually dilute its cautionary effect. I think crews should be paid as soon as the door is closed, but the beacon should only be used for engine operation or aircraft movement.
04-19-2012 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vertisch
I believe Delta uses the beacon.
UAL contracts are billed by the minute. Not block or better. No "...or the greater of". Just pure block. OUT to IN. This is why UAL is power hungry with the EBR issue. They even feel like they're making a concession letting you use Lektro carts because they had to concede a minute to let you drag up and be ready to push. That puts them out to the tune of hundreds of thousands a year.
For what it's worth UAL's demand for D-0 is the secondary issue here. Just go when you're ready. UAL flights are so padded in the schedule anyway that the likelihood of making anything extra by popping the brake is remote unless you're grossly misrepresenting your times.
In which case the DOT and FAA might have something to say to you besides UAL and your CP.
04-19-2012 | 04:07 PM
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Do any airlines still use the rotating beacon as a "trigger" for logging time? That is a bad practice, IMHO, because it misuses a safety warning and will eventually dilute its cautionary effect. I think crews should be paid as soon as the door is closed, but the beacon should only be used for engine operation or aircraft movement.
04-19-2012 | 05:59 PM
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Well here is a little perspective. QX uses a gps logarithm to measure 50' on the push back and that is considered our block out time. Not mcd closure or brake release. Its never correct!!! Imagine if united had you do this. Pretty F'd up!
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04-19-2012 | 10:39 PM
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Dude let's be honest. When I'm one duty I'm on my iPad looking stuff up. This is by far the easiest job I have ever had. Coming from a construction background that is. No I don't work for free. And recently, the power levers have been pulled back quite a bit
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