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04-19-2012, 07:57 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by jayray
I thought Jane had said that it wasn't an issue because of insurance, maybe she said it wasn't what brought them into bankruptcy or something. Who picks the venue?
Basically the lawyers will make arguments to whatever court the suits were filed in and either side can file a motion that a certain court does not have jurisdiction and another court is the appropriate venue. My guess is the families filed suits in NY state court because that is where the crash occurred, and it will be up to the judge if the case should be transferred to federal court. As I see it the main issue will be if it will be if the cases proceed in NY State or Federal court. The main argument for Federal jurisdiction would be the parties to the suits all live in NY or other states, and Pinnacle is based in Memphis. I'm not sure if Pinnacle is incorporated in Tn or Delaware. The main argument for NY state court is the crash occured in NY.
Will be interesting to see how the company decides to deal with this.
04-19-2012, 08:04 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by airline NooB
No.
I am suggesting EXACTLY that the union take charge. Floundering around wimpering "woe is me" doesn't get anything DONE.
Have whoever is the mucky-muck union guy in charge.. the guys whos been saying he can do better than Menke at finding solutions... have him submit a darn application that says CEO in the position field. Heck, have EVERYONE submit an application for the vacancy. Surely there is a huge pool of talent available that doesn't have a graveyard of dead corporations in their closet.
No diplomacy crap. No maneuvering. No B.S.
Actions not words. Product not promises. all that rah rah crap that means nothing until someone actually does something.
As for the pay issues: has each effected employee filed INDIVIDUAL regulatory complaints with the US Department of Labor, Wage and Hours division for failure to compensate? If not, then the union leadership isn't giving very good advice. Has each effected employee THEN filed INDIVIDUAL regulatory Complaints with the Tennessee Department of labor Fair Wage Act that requires full payment in a timely manner? If not...then the union isn't giving vey good guidance. Has anyone files Civil suit against for Fiscal NON-Feasance (look it up), Fiduciary malpractice, or fraud? if not...then the union isn't giving very good guidance.
Again....the point is....there is SO MUCH that can and should be done. we are three weeks past the "I told you so" point of no return. There is nothing to lose. put-up or shut-up. Lead or follow or get the hell out of the way so that someone can.
Menke just got out of the way.
I am suggesting EXACTLY that the union take charge. Floundering around wimpering "woe is me" doesn't get anything DONE.
Have whoever is the mucky-muck union guy in charge.. the guys whos been saying he can do better than Menke at finding solutions... have him submit a darn application that says CEO in the position field. Heck, have EVERYONE submit an application for the vacancy. Surely there is a huge pool of talent available that doesn't have a graveyard of dead corporations in their closet.
No diplomacy crap. No maneuvering. No B.S.
Actions not words. Product not promises. all that rah rah crap that means nothing until someone actually does something.
As for the pay issues: has each effected employee filed INDIVIDUAL regulatory complaints with the US Department of Labor, Wage and Hours division for failure to compensate? If not, then the union leadership isn't giving very good advice. Has each effected employee THEN filed INDIVIDUAL regulatory Complaints with the Tennessee Department of labor Fair Wage Act that requires full payment in a timely manner? If not...then the union isn't giving vey good guidance. Has anyone files Civil suit against for Fiscal NON-Feasance (look it up), Fiduciary malpractice, or fraud? if not...then the union isn't giving very good guidance.
Again....the point is....there is SO MUCH that can and should be done. we are three weeks past the "I told you so" point of no return. There is nothing to lose. put-up or shut-up. Lead or follow or get the hell out of the way so that someone can.
Menke just got out of the way.
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04-19-2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by airline NooB
This is NOT going to be a popular post. But it is sincere and I hope anyone taking the time to read it will likewise take the time to actually consider the intent before they light up their flame-throwers. It is what it is, though...so have at it:
I personally think SM leaving is an opportunity for Union leadership to put-up or shut-up. I could go on for pages detailing how leadership on both sides of the table has been ineffective. Leaders ALWAYS lead...either they lead in an upward trend...or in a downward trend.
The perpetual ying/yang relationship of good vs evil finger-pointing and blame-roulette has existed between labor and management since the first caveman told the second what to do. And ever since that very first instruction, each has assumed the others incompetence and ulterior motives. The inescapable fact is that we are all in the same boat. Neither can exist without the other. Some get it, some dont. But I digress, let me get back on my heading so that yall can begin hammering me for speaking up.
Union leadership has been continually pointing out how inept management is. That's their job. If the union says anything neutral let alone positive about management, they are branded as turncoats and lynched at the first opportunity. Sometimes their accusations of impropriety and misguidedness are even valid. The current Charlie Foxtrot is a stellar example of how the management got it wrong...way wrong...full deflection, reverse sensing, back-course, gear-down/flaps-up, low-fuel, aft-cg, inverted and pulling back on the stick...kinda-wrong. Gratz on calling that one...but its kinda like telling the CA he's drunk but letting him take the seat anyway.
"I told ya so," is of little consolation. But there is the inevitable argument that "We did all we could." And while we can futilely debate the accuracy of that claim. The point is, yeah, folks did stuff. Yay.
But NOW there is a chance for union leadership to strap-on a cape and bust through the door (like superman...not like the Kool-Aid guy) and say: I told you what you were doing wrong...now I'll show you, and fix it. I can save the day.
Its a make it or break it chance to ___ or get off the pot. Stop arm-chair quarterbacking and get your hand on the ball(s). Its just a business. Run the da(r)n thing and stop sniveling. The board is faced with a choice of putting someone in the seat. It might as well be someone with a plan...and something to prove.
If the union can divert this bird away from its pink line into the ground....Then it can dust itself off and say "I told YOU so" to the board. And all the other boards...airlines...consumers...everyone will pay attention.
Fly it all the way to the gate....
Just my observation.
Very VERY sorry for the impact this is having on anyone and everyone in the industry.
I personally think SM leaving is an opportunity for Union leadership to put-up or shut-up. I could go on for pages detailing how leadership on both sides of the table has been ineffective. Leaders ALWAYS lead...either they lead in an upward trend...or in a downward trend.
The perpetual ying/yang relationship of good vs evil finger-pointing and blame-roulette has existed between labor and management since the first caveman told the second what to do. And ever since that very first instruction, each has assumed the others incompetence and ulterior motives. The inescapable fact is that we are all in the same boat. Neither can exist without the other. Some get it, some dont. But I digress, let me get back on my heading so that yall can begin hammering me for speaking up.
Union leadership has been continually pointing out how inept management is. That's their job. If the union says anything neutral let alone positive about management, they are branded as turncoats and lynched at the first opportunity. Sometimes their accusations of impropriety and misguidedness are even valid. The current Charlie Foxtrot is a stellar example of how the management got it wrong...way wrong...full deflection, reverse sensing, back-course, gear-down/flaps-up, low-fuel, aft-cg, inverted and pulling back on the stick...kinda-wrong. Gratz on calling that one...but its kinda like telling the CA he's drunk but letting him take the seat anyway.
"I told ya so," is of little consolation. But there is the inevitable argument that "We did all we could." And while we can futilely debate the accuracy of that claim. The point is, yeah, folks did stuff. Yay.
But NOW there is a chance for union leadership to strap-on a cape and bust through the door (like superman...not like the Kool-Aid guy) and say: I told you what you were doing wrong...now I'll show you, and fix it. I can save the day.
Its a make it or break it chance to ___ or get off the pot. Stop arm-chair quarterbacking and get your hand on the ball(s). Its just a business. Run the da(r)n thing and stop sniveling. The board is faced with a choice of putting someone in the seat. It might as well be someone with a plan...and something to prove.
If the union can divert this bird away from its pink line into the ground....Then it can dust itself off and say "I told YOU so" to the board. And all the other boards...airlines...consumers...everyone will pay attention.
Fly it all the way to the gate....
Just my observation.
Very VERY sorry for the impact this is having on anyone and everyone in the industry.
While I was very dissappointed with his decision to accept the raise, I don't blame the guy for bailing out. Hell, everyone else is bailing off of the Titanic so why should he stay?
Best of luck to everybody, this is going to get worse but hopefully the company will suvive, although I think the chances are pretty good that Pinnacle will not survive this.
04-19-2012, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
I agree that the internal situation at Pinnacle right now doesn't bode well for the future of the company. It's not good when your future rides on the whims of Mother Delta.
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