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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 1177682)

I an an ATL guy and I would agree with you that there are many guys, and the few gals, here that think 'you legacy Xjet folk' want $60/hr in the right seat. I believe, as it has been discussed before, that it's simply lack of communication. Hearing everything through the grape vine is a horrible way to learn what the other guy wants.

It's all about that 'vocal minority' that screws everything up for the more rational I suppose...

I simply want what's fair. Some kind of pay increase to cover AT LEAST inflation with both contracts taken into account. I guess we will see what the MEC agrees to soon or later and vote.

Same here. I could be happy with our pay returned to pre-concession levels plus an annual cost of living/inflation increase. Some minor adjustments to reserve rules and no PBS in phase 1 bidding

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Originally Posted by stoki (Post 1177683)

I may have read your post wrong, but are you saying you don't want a better contract?

Yeah, I don't get that either. I hope I read it wrong but it's something I keep hearing from ASA guys. Their vocal minority maybe? I hope so. I just don't get it. If you are so worried about losing flying to GoJet, why don't you just fly the 700s for free? Then I bet you'll see all kinds of growth.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Redraider217 (Post 1177695)

I know that wherever it go (if i get to go) there will be plenty of folks who are unhappy with certain aspects (or most aspects) i dont typically fall victim to other peoples feelings (good or bad) I listen to what they have and dont presume to tell them theyre wrong for thinking that.

The difference is that some of these issues that make folks unhappy are based in fact (ala Mesa and RAH) whereas some of these 'issues' are creations of egos and resentment at failed aspirations. I love the "I coulda gone to XYZ Airlines" guys. If you coulda and shoulda then you WOULDA!

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1177709)

100% agree....

well I certainly know that i will start as a no-name bottom feeder and keep my desires about the future within due bounds. No entitlement needed. If i get there one day...AWESOME....if not...oh well.

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Originally Posted by stoki (Post 1177683)

I may have read your post wrong, but are you saying you don't want a better contract?

We need some flight case stickers -- "Concede to succeed!"

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Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1177729)

We need some flight case stickers -- "Concede to succeed!"

Haha!

Unfortunately I fly with quite a few lifers that share none of my enthusiasm for bettering our contract. When I talk gains they reference CT or BH preaching how competitive the industry is and how we need to get our costs in line. I have no idea how common this mentality is, just my experience the last year or so.

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Originally Posted by unit monster (Post 1177738)

That's because they've forgotten how much it sucks to be on the bottom. They sit pretty with their amazing 401K matching, 100/hr, 18 day off lines. They are afraid of losing that. Why would they risk their career to help those below them?

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Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 1177699)

Most jr. FO in DTW is 5/31/2011 hire. Current CRJ new hire class will be IAD and ATL.

He's alive! I hope our favorite captain in DTW is keeping you in check. ;)

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Originally Posted by stoki (Post 1177683)

I may have read your post wrong, but are you saying you don't want a better contract?

I would love a great contract, but I also realize that the industry leading wages usually don't last long, or you get to see your flying go to other places. Let's be realistic and get something better, perhaps not what I hear all these xjet guys want though. I'm not a lifer, but 6 years is enough as an FO I don't care what regional your at. We are all basically contract workers, when u get to be the most expensive contractor, guess what..your customer goes elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1177729)

We need some flight case stickers -- "Concede to succeed!"

Best quote yet. Hand them out to freezingflykid and all the other "almost 3 year FO"s. Seems to be a common trend among them.

I think our management has them right where they want them, drinking the Kol-aid.