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05-11-2012 | 08:58 AM

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ShyGuy

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So if I'm understanding this right, Pinnacle has protected 100 -900 Captain seats and 541 -200 Captain seats. So system wide, 641 Captains must be Pinnacle? Everything else will be seniority as per ISL?

05-11-2012 | 09:26 AM

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From: CRJ 200, CRJ900 CA

And XJ has it's protected CA slots (200 and 900) if less than the total number exists then they are ratioed. Nothing is protected for 9L. If there are displacements they might get bumped before a more junior 9E or XJ ca to keep numbers correct.

05-11-2012 | 09:32 AM

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Nothing is protected for 9L. If there are displacements they might get bumped before a more junior 9E or XJ ca to keep numbers correct.

Oh please. Go easy on the "more junior 9E or XJ" pilot comment... even if they are more junior on that effed up seniority list, they are more senior DOH wise, and that's all that matters. True seniority is still respected.

05-11-2012 | 09:36 AM

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Only a wish. Bloch is reality. As sucky as it is.

05-11-2012 | 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Shy, it's Pinnacle pilots up for the screwing. Where do you think those PCL ATL 900 pilots are going to go? If you said CRJ 200, you are correct.

Those ATL 900 CAs can only displace Mesaba 900 CAs down to their minimum fence, which they are only a few over. They can't displace out MSA 900 CAs. Those 900 CAs will then have to go to the 200 and displace out junior MSA and PCL CAs

I'm sure you already knew this

Don't forget that the Mesaba minimum fence will shrink as well, and Pinnacle will still have protected 900 CA slots. In the Bloch award it never mentions that it matters where any particular fleet reduction comes from. Both pre-merger Pinnacle and Mesaba -900 CA protected positions will be reduced by approximately 20-25% since we are losing 20-25% of the total -900 fleet. It doesn't matter that the losses are coming entirely from the pre-merger Pinnacle side.

05-11-2012 | 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Incorrect. The Mesaba minimum fence will not be lowered. The Bloch award only mentions a reduction if BOTH pre merger numbers are lowered, Mesaba isn't lowering.

05-11-2012 | 11:00 AM

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No. Where will those ATL pilots go? They can only displace out MSA down to the MSA minimum staffing fence.

As of recently, MSA is just a few over their minimum staffing. The top few ATl guys will bump out the junior MSA 900 CAs down to the fence and that's it. "no pilot will be awarded or displaced to a CRJ 900 CA spot unless MSA....."

The ATL guys can't bump (displace) the MSA guys below the fence. Also, the minimum staffing numbers are only reduced if both MSA and PCL numbers are below the minimum staffing numbers, PCL will be and MSA is not. Since it is only 1, th MSA fence stays intact. This is all in the award.

In essence, the PCL "protected" positions are useless.

05-11-2012 | 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kellwolf

I'm a 6 year CA, ... I could be looking at the right seat again while junior XJ guys hold onto their left seats... I've got 500+ CAs below me in seniority. Cool, huh.

Here is a "grass isn't always greener" Delta Connection story if you want something to be happy about...

I'm a 9 yr FO, never got to upgrade, and I've only got 150 FOs below me in seniority. Cool, huh.