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thebiscuit 05-12-2012 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1187005)
I remember there was a way to block people on the old airlinkpilots.com
Is there something like that on here? The juice's antagonistic remarks are childish & annoying.
Thanks for the help
Better than that.... Now Airlinkpilots.com has a feature called
THE THUNDERDOME where guys get to fight it out in their own section of the message board. It's truly good stuff. Same for Mesabapilots.com

Avroman 05-12-2012 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1186961)
I see. What you are saying makes sense now.



Slap at unity? There has been no unity from day 1 of the 3-way negotiations. Any hint of unity broke initially last April when Mesaba filed a dispute AFTER hearings were closed regarding the 9E DOH issue. THat didn't go well. Then the quotas came out and it reflected horrendous staffing numbers on the Pinnacle side from the old June 2010 staffing model, and then the 9E guys were downgraded so Mesaba and Colgan pilots could take left seats. That didn't bring any unity. And NOW that entire fleets are getting parked, it's every group for itself fighting to protect as many seats as they can for their own group. Face reality: there is no unity to be had ever since this three-way happened.


Ha! Good luck with that. Now that the livelihood of senior 9E pilots is affected, watch a 200% effort from the 9E side of things. Before, there wasn't really any clarification or fight when the junior side got screwed in unfair quota numbers and the Saab fence. I never heard a peep since the Aug 2011 update that the clarification is requsted from Bloch and he hasn't answered. That was also in regards to the Saab captain fence-off for Pinnacle pilots. How much you wanna bet, in cold cash, that THIS time, in regards to THIS issue with the CRJ-900 quotas, you WILL hear a clarification from Bloch?

:rolleyes:
The Pinnacle NMFC has been working hard to reduce that effect. I have never seen anywhere close to the failure rate that has been happening to the former XJ/9L's When the fail rate is over a third, something systemically is wrong.

B00sted 05-12-2012 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1187098)
The Pinnacle NMFC has been working hard to reduce that effect. I have never seen anywhere close to the failure rate that has been happening to the former XJ/9L's When the fail rate is over a third, something systemically is wrong.
Speaks volumes about the training department. I thought things would have changed in the last year down there.

AQP starts soon right?

Boom 05-12-2012 07:21 PM
Not sure you are going to like AQP

B00sted 05-12-2012 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Boom (Post 1187105)
Not sure you are going to like AQP
why not?
..............

IBPilot 05-12-2012 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1187098)
The Pinnacle NMFC has been working hard to reduce that effect. I have never seen anywhere close to the failure rate that has been happening to the former XJ/9L's When the fail rate is over a third, something systemically is wrong.
Grow up...they aren't out to get you. Not their fault you can't fly a missed approach with a failed FMS (or just go straight out anyways just for the hell of it) or leave the flaps at 20 after a v1 cut and not even bringing them up on the climb check. Plus the fail rate is around 10%. where are you getting this 33%? Inflammatory crew room and internet gossip? Sure it might inflate to 30% for a class or two but it is nowhere near 33% overall. I suppose the Feds are in on this too since so many have not been signed off on their first or second fed rides?

IBPilot 05-12-2012 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1187101)
Speaks volumes about the training department. I thought things would have changed in the last year down there.

AQP starts soon right?
What does it say? that they want people who are capable of safely flying the CRJ with your family on board? You sound like one of those guys who turned the screen red on 3 v1 cuts and claimed he failed because he was 2 lidos behind and didn't have his shoulder harnesses on...and what's AQP got to do with anything ? you are still at the mercy of one of those 9e instructors "out to get you" with a pink slip.

Boom 05-12-2012 07:35 PM
One of the often overlooked aspects of AQP is no extra training...... Only repeats allowed, no extra training, go to checkride whether student ready or not.....This is based on validating the training curriculum as well as the student

Boom 05-12-2012 07:42 PM
It can work well but it won't solve problems inherent in the department

ShyGuy 05-12-2012 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1187098)
The Pinnacle NMFC has been working hard to reduce that effect. I have never seen anywhere close to the failure rate that has been happening to the former XJ/9L's When the fail rate is over a third, something systemically is wrong.
What's NMFC?


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