What is Capt Sully taking about ?
05-26-2012 | 12:58 PM
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And yet these surgeons who have seen the "full range" as you put it STILL remove the wrong organs, still amputate the wrong limbs, still wrongly prescribe meds with fatal consequences, etc etc etc.
For EXACTLY the same reasons pilots kill people. One, or more safety layers of the system failed and they flat out screwed up. Regardless of their "full range" of experience.
For EXACTLY the same reasons pilots kill people. One, or more safety layers of the system failed and they flat out screwed up. Regardless of their "full range" of experience.
I can't even find logic in the thought process that a major airline FO (7000 TT 1000PIC turbine+) with a major captain (20000 TT) is equal to the 1000 hour regional FO fresh from flight instruction paired with a regional captain.
Mistakes do happen, but the majors have more barriers in place with experienced pilots than compared to regionals. Have you attended initial at a major? Compare that experience 1 day to the ground school at a regional... How many of those safety layers that exist with a seasoned major crew are equal to the regional crew with a brand new RJ FO who is holding on to the tail?
05-26-2012 | 01:09 PM
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Anyone can make mistakes. People with experience will probably make less of them and know how to successfully handle a greater range of situations.
05-26-2012 | 01:29 PM
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Second, I think your statement is succint and accurate. Plus one!
Third, it is not as if low time pilots are lepers with horns growing out of their head. Education tempered with experience makes the likelihood of mistakes, particularly fatal mistakes go down.
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05-26-2012 | 02:01 PM
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XJT are you claiming that the experience you have received throughout your career has not made you a better pilot? You feel as capable today as you did the first month in the right seat?
I can't even find logic in the thought process that a major airline FO (7000 TT 1000PIC turbine+) with a major captain (20000 TT) is equal to the 1000 hour regional FO fresh from flight instruction paired with a regional captain.
Mistakes do happen, but the majors have more barriers in place with experienced pilots than compared to regionals. Have you attended initial at a major? Compare that experience 1 day to the ground school at a regional... How many of those safety layers that exist with a seasoned major crew are equal to the regional crew with a brand new RJ FO who is holding on to the tail?
I can't even find logic in the thought process that a major airline FO (7000 TT 1000PIC turbine+) with a major captain (20000 TT) is equal to the 1000 hour regional FO fresh from flight instruction paired with a regional captain.
Mistakes do happen, but the majors have more barriers in place with experienced pilots than compared to regionals. Have you attended initial at a major? Compare that experience 1 day to the ground school at a regional... How many of those safety layers that exist with a seasoned major crew are equal to the regional crew with a brand new RJ FO who is holding on to the tail?
Yes, this.
05-26-2012 | 02:10 PM
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05-26-2012 | 03:27 PM
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05-26-2012 | 04:58 PM
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Sure, OK. Remove the almost case, and insert AA in Colombia and LIT, feel better? The taxi way landings DIDN'T almost happen, they happened. Flaming out the 76 engines DIDN'T almost happen, it happened.
And to turn around your scenario, you could say there's an incredible amount of "almost" scenarios with majors/legacies, LCC's, freight companies, whatever that we DON'T heard about as well.
Still stand by my point, the higher experienced pilots can kill people just as well as the lower experienced. Hasn't changed.
And to turn around your scenario, you could say there's an incredible amount of "almost" scenarios with majors/legacies, LCC's, freight companies, whatever that we DON'T heard about as well.
Still stand by my point, the higher experienced pilots can kill people just as well as the lower experienced. Hasn't changed.
05-26-2012 | 05:27 PM
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05-26-2012 | 05:46 PM
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I'm 100000% for the flying pilot being the flying pilot, including allowing FOs to call aborts and initiate aborts while they are PF.
That said, in the case of US1549, the guy who signed for the airplane was the guy with much more experience in the airplane and took command...not a knock on Skiles or his background, just a simple fact of that moment in time.
While there's definitely a white paper on CRM to be written based on this accident, can't say I find any fault in what Sully did in that cockpit.
I'm 100000% for the flying pilot being the flying pilot, including allowing FOs to call aborts and initiate aborts while they are PF.
That said, in the case of US1549, the guy who signed for the airplane was the guy with much more experience in the airplane and took command...not a knock on Skiles or his background, just a simple fact of that moment in time.
While there's definitely a white paper on CRM to be written based on this accident, can't say I find any fault in what Sully did in that cockpit.
What so many here are forgetting in regards to CRM is that it is Crew Resource Management. Sully managed his resources in the best way possible. As evidenced by the outcome of US1549.
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05-27-2012 | 09:46 AM
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Lets look at the last 10 years. 2002-2012. NO major airline fatality crashes. Anyone want to start the count on the regional fatal crashes from 2002-2012? Without going in any specific order, Pinnacle's FL410, RegionasAir Jetstream in Kirksville, Comair 5191, Ocean Chalk Airways near FLL, Air Midwest at CLT, Colgan's BUF crash. There might be a couple I can't think of right now.
Having been through training at a regional and a major, I'd have to say the quality and depth of training at the major exceeded the one at the regional.
Having been through training at a regional and a major, I'd have to say the quality and depth of training at the major exceeded the one at the regional.
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