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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
I've even done the "I dont want to rest in the crewroom for my 0630 comute home" and took the 11pm 2 leg FedEx home. Once home I realized that I got home only 10 minutes earlier than if I would have rested and took the 0630 flight. Now I am a zombie from the flying all night to get back home, all the while not wanting to rest in an empty crew room. Stupid me...
I've been there too. Might as well just sleep.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RunnerMark
Lots of good opinions on this one. I've been swayed by good arguments. My initial reaction in hearing Sully talk led to me feel accosted as a previous regional pilot. I've heard time and time again mainline pilots bash regionals and the crews for taking low paying jobs, and taking their flying from them etc (and yes, I have personally heard these statements from mainline pilots while in their jumpseats.)

So hearing Sully speak against regionals I couldn't help but feel the same way once again. Reexamining his argument, it makes more sense. Like I have been saying all along, I loathe the regional airline model. I hope Sully is aiming at breaking that and returning flying to mainline carriers, even if that means mainline pilots flying 70 seat jets.
I really think this is what he is trying to do. I too am a former regional pilot. It's not an attack on regional pilots. It's an attack on the regional model. At this point I feel Sully's using the only option left, turning the public against the regional model of today. Perhaps we can push it back to what it was in the late 80's early 90's.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:09 PM
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What is really incredible is that after watching the video (and the intro of Sully and the banner below his one-shot), it appears that Sully has acquired a job at CBS News as their "Aviation and Safety Expert". Expect to see him appear after any news breaking aviation accident from here on out.

I'd rather he got the job from Fox News to get rid of that GA guy who thinks with his PPL experience he can speculate an all things airline (no offense to the GA crowd).
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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
What is really incredible is that after watching the video (and the intro of Sully and the banner below his one-shot), it appears that Sully has acquired a job at CBS News as their "Aviation and Safety Expert". Expect to see him appear after any news breaking aviation accident from here on out.

I'd rather he got the job from Fox News to get rid of that GA guy who thinks with his PPL experience he can speculate an all things airline (no offense to the GA crowd).
I remember the disgusted feeling I had after 3407 when I watched the "aviation experts" for the television media. There will always be yahoos on tv who know nothing about aviation but spout of like they do, luckily Sully has become "America's pilot" and his word has much more validity than those yahoos.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:43 PM
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What's with all the "Raa Raa Regional Pride!" going on?

Capt. Sully is trying to shine a light and bring pressure to bear on the regional industry to improve it's safety level. Are there variations between regional companies? Sure. So you might work at Airline Awesome. Good for you. I hope that the model at Airline Awesome gets copied at the other regionals, because you shouldn't want there to be variation. You should expect and even demand that your deadhead on another regional airline will be as safe as Airline Awesome. Variation in levels of safety is not awesome. Some of us work with such levels of dysfunctionality that it will boggle your little Regional Airline Pride head.

I, for one, welcome his comments. There is only so much air crews can do when everything is continuously stacked on their shoulders to take care of.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
In fact, excluding 9/11, there was only one major airline crash (AA).
Huh? In addition to AMR 587 that I assume you are referring to, CAL went off the side at DEN, AMR went off the end in Jamaica, and SWA went off the end at MDW in that time frame.

The first two were hull losses and the last one killed a kid. I'd call each of those "major."

American Airlines Flight 587 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Continental Airlines Flight 1404 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

American Airlines Flight 331 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Southwest Airlines Flight 1248 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-20-2012 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBigAir
What's with all the "Raa Raa Regional Pride!" going on?

Capt. Sully is trying to shine a light and bring pressure to bear on the regional industry to improve it's safety level. Are there variations between regional companies? Sure. So you might work at Airline Awesome. Good for you. I hope that the model at Airline Awesome gets copied at the other regionals, because you shouldn't want there to be variation. You should expect and even demand that your deadhead on another regional airline will be as safe as Airline Awesome. Variation in levels of safety is not awesome. Some of us work with such levels of dysfunctionality that it will boggle your little Regional Airline Pride head.

I, for one, welcome his comments. There is only so much air crews can do when everything is continuously stacked on their shoulders to take care of.
Some really good posts here. I agree with Sully for the most part. If ANYTHING happens to the Captain, the 22 year old FO with 500 TT and 66 ME is going to come apart. Now that being said, Sully, his buddies at USAir and DL, AA, UA and ALPA can give themselves a big group hug and slaps on the back for creating this atmosphere in the early to mid 90's by signing contracts with huge raises for the few but VERY Senior pilots at their respective airlines. While they and ALPA were funneling beer, high fiving, and lighting each other's farts, their junior brother and sister pilots were getting their a$$e$ kicked to the curb and the Regional pilots started flying the Barbie Dream Jet at minimum wage. THINK HARD.

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Old 05-20-2012 | 04:43 PM
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One level of safety?... Yes, please let me know when the major's are hiring 600/100hr pilots.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I can't help but wonder where the whole conversation on this thing would be if, instead of an Airbus 320, it had been a Chautauqua E145 or AWAC CRJ-200 flown by a 30 year old CA and 24 year old FO, that hit geese on takeoff from LGA and safely ditched in the Hudson River...
..........or landed on a taxi way in Atl/Ewr.
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Old 05-20-2012 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I can't help but wonder where the whole conversation on this thing would be if, instead of an Airbus 320, it had been a Chautauqua E145 or AWAC CRJ-200 flown by a 30 year old CA and 24 year old FO, that hit geese on takeoff from LGA and safely ditched in the Hudson River...
If that had happened they would have tried to glide to TEB and crashed short of the runway, right into an apartment building killing hundreds. What? You were wondering!
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