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Old 11-04-2006 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
so what is the job of TSA besides to make pilots lives more aggravating?
Someone's gotta prove that X-ray radiation is a major cause of studpidity...
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Old 11-04-2006 | 08:12 PM
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on a good note, i heard that TSA will now allow offline jumpseaters through checkpoint without a boarding pass?

can anyone verify this with a link, ive never had a problem anyways but ive always been i uniform and i hear some airports are worse than others
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Old 11-05-2006 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
on a good note, i heard that TSA will now allow offline jumpseaters through checkpoint without a boarding pass?

can anyone verify this with a link, ive never had a problem anyways but ive always been i uniform and i hear some airports are worse than others
My understanding is that if you are at an airport that your airline does not serve, you still need to go through the ticket counter to get a security pass.
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Old 11-05-2006 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
My understanding is that if you are at an airport that your airline does not serve, you still need to go through the ticket counter to get a security pass.
Ya know...at every airport I've ever been to I know that, but TSA doesn't seem to. I always breeze right through even at airports that are only served by ONE airline (and it ain't mine)!
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Old 11-05-2006 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
on a good note, i heard that TSA will now allow offline jumpseaters through checkpoint without a boarding pass?

can anyone verify this with a link, ive never had a problem anyways but ive always been i uniform and i hear some airports are worse than others
MDW let's me through with no boarding pass. Of course, maybe it's the brown uni
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Old 11-05-2006 | 12:07 PM
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Quote:BoilerUp What one list means is NO WHIPSAW.

Please explain NO WHIPSAW.

Also, this website shows pay for the 175 and 190, but doesn't list them as part of the fleet for any of the three airlines. Do any of the three operate these, or are they going to be operating them in the future?
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Old 11-05-2006 | 12:28 PM
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Quote:BoilerUp What one list means is NO WHIPSAW.

Please explain NO WHIPSAW.

Also, this website shows pay for the 175 and 190, but doesn't list them as part of the fleet for any of the three airlines. Do any of the three operate these, or are they going to be operating them in the future?

UNDGUY,

As a former UND guy please research what is going on our industry. Pick up flying the line I and II, read different threads and like here ask questions!

Whipshaw means to pit one pilots group (or employee group) against another in orchestrated effort usually by management to gain leverage, or in some cases seek something concesionary (ie a contract, scope relaxation, etc).

Out of curiosity why do you want to fly a E-190? What pay do you think is appropriate to operate that size aircraft? Do you consider it a regional aircraft becuase it is made by a manufacturer who makes regional jets?

It seems many grads from ER and my alma matter UND will do about anything and accept about any pay to fly a jet, and the bigger the better.

There is an excellent article on this website titled "SJS" Shiny Jet Syndrome. I suggest you read it, and let others you attend school with read it. Besides hurting guys like me, you are hurting YOUR future.

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Old 11-05-2006 | 12:38 PM
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The TSA was supposed to check for a boarding pass if you were commuting from an airport which your airline didn't serve. As a commuter myself, the only place that actually followed this rule seemed to be Grand Forks, ND. As of Nov 1st, this rule was revoked and we can go straight through TSA and on to the gate to choose who we want to try to ride with that day.

"ALPA has been notified by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) that effective November 1, it amended the Aircraft Operator Standard Security Program (AOSSP) to allow sterile-area access for crewmembers consistent with regulations that were in effect before July 2006. As a result, commuting pilots will no longer be required to obtain a boarding pass before entering the security checkpoint at airports that their airlines do not serve."
- ALPA email from 11/3/2006

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Old 11-05-2006 | 01:12 PM
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Read the following article; it will give you a brief idea about "whipsaw".

www.fracpilot.com/fromwoodenwings.pdf
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Old 11-05-2006 | 01:42 PM
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UNDGUY,

As a former UND guy please research what is going on our industry. Pick up flying the line I and II, read different threads and like here ask questions!

Whipshaw means to pit one pilots group (or employee group) against another in orchestrated effort usually by management to gain leverage, or in some cases seek something concesionary (ie a contract, scope relaxation, etc).

Out of curiosity why do you want to fly a E-190? What pay do you think is appropriate to operate that size aircraft? Do you consider it a regional aircraft becuase it is made by a manufacturer who makes regional jets?

It seems many grads from ER and my alma matter UND will do about anything and accept about any pay to fly a jet, and the bigger the better.

There is an excellent article on this website titled "SJS" Shiny Jet Syndrome. I suggest you read it, and let others you attend school with read it. Besides hurting guys like me, you are hurting YOUR future.

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AAflyer,

Thanks for the explanation on the whipsaw. As far as SJS, I do not have it. I read the article. I agree that it is worth reading. I am flight instructing now and I think I am going to fly boxes for a couple years to get some experience doing something other than being a passenger in the right seat doing BFR's,IPC's and aircraft checkouts. I spend lots of time on this forum and it has really helped me out with planning my career path. I actually think it would be much more exciting to fly "in the weather" in a twin recip. or turbo-prop rather than: gear up, auto-pilot on, read the paper. I can say that many people I graduated with did have SJS. They thought they were too good to flight instruct or fly a turbo-prop. I had one friend that went to mesa's program AFTER GRADUATING FROM UND! I had another go take the CRJ course at Regional Airline Academy after taking the CRJ course at UND because they promised him a job with a regional as did mesa with my other friend. So i know all about SJS. By the way, neither of them are even in aviation as of right now. They are both "waiting for their call." What a joke.

Your questions about the E-190 are relevant. Is it a regional jet? I don't know. What is the definition of a regional jet? Are there any majors that fly 90 seat aircraft? If there are then I totally agree that a regional should not be taking those jobs. As far as pay, that is something that will be debated forever. Of course everyone thinks they are underpaid. How much is enough? I don't have the answers. We should make another thread that asks this question. I wonder what others would say.
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