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captainv 07-09-2012 12:00 PM

So, when I fly off-line on a positive space ticket in uniform, am I driving the crew nuts?

Geardownflaps30 07-09-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by captainv (Post 1226918)
So, when I fly off-line on a positive space ticket in uniform, am I driving the crew nuts?

Yes!

Keep up the good work!!

;)

Senior Skipper 07-09-2012 01:16 PM

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if somebody checks in or not. I don't imagine it will change when I upgrade. However, if I know there's somebody trying to commute, I'll do everything I can to get the person on.

Phuz 07-09-2012 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1226958)
Personally, it doesn't matter to me if somebody checks in or not. I don't imagine it will change when I upgrade. However, if I know there's somebody trying to commute, I'll do everything I can to get the person on.

How'd you arrive at the username senior skipper?

Do you work at GoJet?

Senior Skipper 07-09-2012 02:03 PM

I just came up with it. You wouldn't call me "Mr. President" if my username was Barrack Obama, would you?

LateralFlyer 07-09-2012 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaDX (Post 1226913)
I'm not a pilot, just a humble dispatcher. According to FARs, the pilot in command is not in command until he is actually piloting the airplane. Believe it or not, during the boarding process, the company can actually dictate who gets to ride in the back of their multi-million dollar machine. Imagine.

Of course, any captain can refuse to let an authorized person board. But not without answering for it, and he'd better have a damn good reason, and just saying "PIC" won't cut it.

I'm not sure I would agree with you on your interpretation of the FAR's, BUT, fortunately where I work we have this little gem in our manuals:

Duration of Command
The Captain is in command of the crew from the time he reports, prior to departure, until leaving the aircraft at the termination of the flight. The Captain is in command of the aircraft from the time of arrival at the aircraft until leaving the aircraft at the end of the flight.


This allows every decision and task associated with said flight to be covered by Captain authority.

DeltaDX 07-09-2012 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by LateralFlyer (Post 1226986)
I'm not sure I would agree with you on your interpretation of the FAR's, BUT, fortunately where I work we have this little gem in our manuals:

Of course, if that is your company's policy. But the FAR are clear.

121.533:

(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.

. . .

(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.

. . .

(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

If you boot a pax off during boarding at most airlines, you are going to have to explain why.

Senior Skipper 07-09-2012 03:06 PM

The company OM is approved by the FAA, so it becomes regulatory. If they say the CA is in command at report time, then that's when his command starts.

Now hopefully the pilots at LateralFlyer's company start getting paid at report time.

Colnago 07-09-2012 04:07 PM

lol. Gotta love all of the flamebait going on haha.

Guys, it's pretty simple.

If you're non-reving, there's no need to talk to anyone.

If you're jumpseating, you talk to the captain whether you have a seat or not. Oh, and don't be a d ck. Say hi to the FO as well.

xjtguy 07-09-2012 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaDX (Post 1226913)
I'm not a pilot, just a humble dispatcher. According to FARs, the pilot in command is not in command until he is actually piloting the airplane. Believe it or not, during the boarding process, the company can actually dictate who gets to ride in the back of their multi-million dollar machine. Imagine.

Maybe as it refers to revenue passengers. A jumpseater is a whole different deal.


Originally Posted by DeltaDX (Post 1226913)
Of course, any captain can refuse to let an authorized person board. But not without answering for it, and he'd better have a damn good reason, and just saying "PIC" won't cut it.

If a CA denies a jumpseater a ride, even if it's in the back, you sure about that? You even seen some of the individual airline policies that dictate use of the jumpseat is at the CA's discretion? Doesn't matter if it's the actual cockpit jumpseat or a seat in the back.


Originally Posted by DeltaDX (Post 1226992)
Of course, if that is your company's policy. But the FAR are clear.

And as a dispatcher, you should be aware that when the FAA accepts a company's policies, those policies then become controlling.

By your interpretation, if an item was missed on the preflight and it was the CA's job to make sure it was done, he's not the PIC of the flight yet so he's not responsible. Don't think so...........


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