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Av8rking 07-24-2012 09:25 PM

Believe what you want. About 5 weeks ago, I too heard 7/27 as "the announcement" from a very reliable source. And this was just before that painful memo came out. And no, I will not post my source on an anonymous forum. I truely hope something has changed recently to prevent this. I have only love and hope for my former Comair peeps! :(

P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?

What 07-25-2012 02:09 AM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 1234870)
Aren't they required to give WARN notices 60 days in advance?

Fact Sheet - The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act

They are required to give you the WARN notice, like someone said a few posts ago they will likely hand them out Friday if what most dates that are being said are true. We got ours at Eagle after they filled BK and we set to closed the DFW ATR base, hope all works out for you guy and I am sorry to hear that this will happen to you guys/gals.

skywatch 07-25-2012 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1234856)
Yeah. 30 days to staff 28+ aircraft. Righttttt....

28+ aircraft, of which you don't want to fly all of them and plan to park some/most...and spread out among what, 4-5 airlines...right?

amcnd 07-25-2012 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 1234941)
28+ aircraft, of which you don't want to fly all of them and plan to park some/most...and spread out among what, 4-5 airlines...right?

I would say over 2-3 airlines, and they would drop 200's so it would end up as = staffing.. My thinking would be....If Comair was going to be around long term, they would have countered the bad pess about getting shutdown..

Geardownflaps30 07-25-2012 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1234955)
I would say over 2-3 airlines, and they would drop 200's so it would end up as = staffing.. My thinking would be....If Comair was going to be around long term, they would have countered the bad pess about getting shutdown..

Once again. You forget the fact that Comair is in contract negotiations with all THREE UNIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY! A company NEVER counters bad press at this time and in fact may encourage it.

evilboy 07-25-2012 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1234966)
Once again. You forget the fact that Comair is in contract negotiations with all THREE UNIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY! A company NEVER counters bad press at this time and in fact may encourage it.

As you can tell, everybody else has countered point your claims (btw it is only required 30 days notice to DOT to change an ENTIRE schedule, never the less one that might be spread about different airlines). However this statement is probably the smartest you have made about this situation. Yes it is a small possibility to use the bad press and info circulating as a contract negotiation point. Yet my question would be (if i were an union negotiator), "why would I be affraid of those rumors if you (mgmt) is still negotiating for a new contract?. What's the point if you (mgmt) are going to closes us down?".
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.

Geardownflaps30 07-25-2012 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by evilboy (Post 1235000)
As you can tell, everybody else has countered point your claims (btw it is only required 30 days notice to DOT to change an ENTIRE schedule, never the less one that might be spread about different airlines). However this statement is probably the smartest you have made about this situation. Yes it is a small possibility to use the bad press and info circulating as a contract negotiation point. Yet my question would be (if i were an union negotiator), "why would I be affraid of those rumors if you (mgmt) is still negotiating for a new contract?. What's the point if you (mgmt) are going to closes us down?".
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.

The point is to instill fear and intimidate the rank and file into accepting and voting in a new contract with even greater cuts.

8hourrule 07-25-2012 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1235025)

Originally Posted by evilboy (Post 1235000)
As you can tell, everybody else has countered point your claims (btw it is only required 30 days notice to DOT to change an ENTIRE schedule, never the less one that might be spread about different airlines). However this statement is probably the smartest you have made about this situation. Yes it is a small possibility to use the bad press and info circulating as a contract negotiation point. Yet my question would be (if i were an union negotiator), "why would I be affraid of those rumors if you (mgmt) is still negotiating for a new contract?. What's the point if you (mgmt) are going to closes us down?".
Anyhow, truly hope you're correct about that.

The point is to instill fear and intimidate the rank and file into accepting and voting in a new contract with even greater cuts.

optimistic at best. Delusional at worst.

Bozo 07-25-2012 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Av8rking (Post 1234904)
Believe what you want. About 5 weeks ago, I too heard 7/27 as "the announcement" from a very reliable source. And this was just before that painful memo came out. And no, I will not post my source on an anonymous forum. I truely hope something has changed recently to prevent this. I have only love and hope for my former Comair peeps! :(

P.S. Doesn't it seem odd that this memo came out just days after the passage of the Delta TA that includes a large reduction in overall DCI flying?

Bulletin "400" will be loaded on 07/28/2012 with many changes.

makersmarc 07-25-2012 07:52 AM

From what I understand, two of three unions have proposals before the company. The IBT has not as far as I know.

I still think that Delta's intention is to shut us down; though I am sure they would love to get a very favorable contract from pilots, what pilots do means nothing if the others don't play ball.

Here's how I would handicap this: 65% chance we are shut down outright. 20% chance of some sort of hybrid arrangement that calls for some airplanes/crews to go elsewhere. 15% chance of new contract with drastically low rates (lower than gojets) and hope for expansion.

Of course, Comair could merely be a stalking horse to used in negotiations with Pinnacle.


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