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evilboy 07-24-2012 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1234682)
Sounds like drinking the KoolAid instead of focusing on where a regional makes its living: feeding a major airline, with contracted flying. That feed and contract can and will be eliminated at the whim of the major airline partner. You'd bet your career on that? I wouldn't.

Guy, OH was largest privately owned "Regional" carrier in the world before DL bought it (still not sure why) and screwed it up. It WAS a place to work and retire from. You'd surprised how many pilots retired from there after 15, 20, 25+ years in the line. It wrote its own ticket (per say) for a very long time, and was bigger than lots of the majors of this time (Airtran, Spirit, and I believe Jetblue). And at one time was hellbent on moving on up (to the east side) to "major" status by buying bigger aircrafts (757, 737 and others), and join the fray against the DL, US, AA, etc in this country. Btw, I believe after the purchase, there were 10-15 of the DL MD-88 that were fully purchased with OH assets (money) and for some years flew under the Comair Holdings registration. I jumpsat in a couple of those and got a kick by seeing the registration.
Please research it.....bet you it will surprise you.

PerpetualFlyer 07-24-2012 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by evilboy (Post 1234693)
Guy, OH was largest privately owned "Regional" carrier in the world before DL bought it (still not sure why) and screwed it up. It WAS a place to work and retire from. You'd surprised how many pilots retired from there after 15, 20, 25+ years in the line. It wrote its own ticket (per say) for a very long time, and was bigger than lots of the majors of this time (Airtran, Spirit, and I believe Jetblue). And at one time was hellbent on moving on up (to the east side) to "major" status by buying bigger aircrafts (757, 737 and others), and join the fray against the DL, US, AA, etc in this country. Btw, I believe after the purchase, there were 10-15 of the DL MD-88 that were fully purchased with OH assets (money) and for some years flew under the Comair Holdings registration. I jumpsat in a couple of those and got a kick by seeing the registration.
Please research it.....bet you it will surprise you.

Nothing surprises "Shy the all-knowing".

ShyGuy 07-24-2012 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1234691)
There was a time when being a "wholly owned subsidiary" meant something different than being a "contract carrier". Perhaps you
are too young or lacking in vocational experience to remember...

Many of you forget that this consolidation/shifting of flying amongst regional carriers has been ongoing for >10 yrs. Some of us that were caught up in the first rounds moved to a wholly owned for what was supposed to be stability. Many forget that there was a time where getting hired at a wholly owned was perceived to having attained the "Holy Grail" of regional jobs. But as I've said, many of you on these boards have been in this industry for too short of time to remember. It is shocking how many have not heard and do not know the history and likes of former regional carriers such as Skyway, Chicago Express, Atlantic Coast, etc to name but a few.

I agree that today though, it is virtually meaningless.

How do you get stability in a wholly-owned? That's probably the worst model, because the major partner can cut flying, park fleets, or outsource to another regional in an instant. How does that help?


Guy, OH was largest privately owned "Regional" carrier in the world before DL bought it (still not sure why) and screwed it up. It WAS a place to work and retire from. You'd surprised how many pilots retired from there after 15, 20, 25+ years in the line. It wrote its own ticket (per say) for a very long time, and was bigger than lots of the majors of this time (Airtran, Spirit, and I believe Jetblue). And at one time was hellbent on moving on up (to the east side) to "major" status by buying bigger aircrafts (757, 737 and others), and join the fray against the DL, US, AA, etc in this country. Btw, I believe after the purchase, there were 10-15 of the DL MD-88 that were fully purchased with OH assets (money) and for some years flew under the Comair Holdings registration. I jumpsat in a couple of those and got a kick by seeing the registration.
Please research it.....bet you it will surprise you.
Air Wisconsin was the oldest privately held regional airline until United screwed it up. Same story, 15, 20, 25+ year guys in the line. Now they're down to 70 CRJs with all senior pilots being forced a two leg commute from ATW to PHL/DCA.


Btw, I believe after the purchase, there were 10-15 of the DL MD-88 that were fully purchased with OH assets (money) and for some years flew under the Comair Holdings registration.
After the purchase, it's all Delta's money. On paper they can show whatever they want. Sure Comair probably made them money back then. And sure some of that money was funneled for purchasing MD80s, and even registered in Comair holdings. However, being wholly owned means wholly owned. Delta can show whatever profit or loss it wants, just as AMR has been doing at Eagle for years.

DoubleD 07-24-2012 03:25 PM

Shy,

We all have the advantage of hindsight now. As to why people would stay some reasons were given. It was a case of perception. Being junior, I moved on as soon as I could. I'm sure the senior people now are not at all happy with the present situation not just their personal situation but also Comair's too. They held out hope that things would recover as OH went through NG2,3,4 and whatever they are up to now.
I was recently in Narita with some UA and CO guys. They also spoke of how trhings had changed for them in ways they would have never dreamed in their worst dreams (regarding the last 15years). It's not just OH that has hit a wall, the difference is, as you mention, being wholly owned they are at the owning airlines mercy in the race to the bottom that is not a good place to be.
One thing posters fail to mention is the great people who are at OH and their families. Hopefully DL pulls a "just kidding" and lets the good people continue.

ASAnotASAP 07-24-2012 03:25 PM

Heard from a reliable source on Virginia Ave that all CRJ-200 flying will end on 9/4 and the rest will be wound down by the 28th.

Spoilers 07-24-2012 04:02 PM

Except an announcement Friday.

Geardownflaps30 07-24-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1234749)
Except an announcement Friday.

Source please.

evilboy 07-24-2012 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1234749)
Except an announcement Friday.


Hey Spoils, been a while my friend. Hope you're well. Anyhow, yes they do like to hand out bad news the friday before a big date. Very sad.

Pilotguy143 07-24-2012 04:36 PM

How "firm" is the Friday announcement?

MunkyButtr 07-24-2012 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1234765)
How "firm" is the Friday announcement?

Depends, is she over 40?


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