Pretty arrogant of you to make such a statement without knowing me or my colleagues... wouldn't you agree? We all have our jobs... true some of us have bounced around from one airline to another... and some globe trotting around the world too. But no... we all got first uniforms the old fashioned way.

I feel sorry for your self pity in not being able to secure a place in the cockpit. Unfortunately, your doubts and negative views far outshine your great abilities of being a flyer during your interviews. Leave them at home... or better yet bury them along with your past.

Happy flying... and I hope you get that job.

 

Dude, just outta curiosity, how do you think things work in the rest of the buisness world? It's not what you know that gets you the job in the downtown Manhatten office, its who you know. This is a concept that is not unique to the airline. If you were working in a cubicle somewhere, you would be whining about the same thing of not knowing the right people to get the job.

So, while you sit there and make life miserable for the guy sitting next to you for 4 days whining about not knowing the right people, just remember he could be the one that is on your next hiring board and will remember how awful flying with you was

 

Dude... that's why I owned my own business for 22 years... So I would not have to sit and listen to any whiny self pitying ba$tards.

And I was a DO of an airline that did not subscribe to the who you know philosophy, and guess what... I didn't hire any self pitying whiny ba$tards there either.

Oh by the way... my offices weres in Midtown Manhattan and Long Island.

 

Internal recommendations are good business practice. Instead of hiring by what a few people saw in just one day, they have a recommendation from someone who (hopefully) knows the candidate well and can attest to his/her personality, flying abilities, and decission making. Its less risk for the company

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to post that quote in my previous reply.

 

There ya go again, Sky...more BS about a subject you have zero experience in.

Uncles don't get people fighter assignments. Class standing in UPT does. Wing commanders aren't involved in the assignment process.

Are there folks who get a little help along the way? Of course...life is life, in the airlines or out.

But most make it on their own. You didn't. Carrying on here as you do won't expunge your demons. You failed...get over it.

Since you want to use military analogies, quit acting like a ****ed off, passed over jerk...in or outside of the military, folks like yourself are not unusual. But they usually are alone.

Go build a house. Make something positive out of your life. All of this repetitious and often erroneous whining isn't contributing anything to anyone.

 

having connections is a great thing. moral of the story is START NETWORKING!!! get to know people and be a decent likeable person and who knows you might just have someone offer to run your resume to the chief pilot.

The military connection is not just a way of getting all your friends hired... the military connection is there because military training has been proven over time. Its reliable, theres little room for fraud, and they generally wont fail out of training. This is by no way knocking civilian training which is usually excellent.

By the way this is a huge issue right now, a lot of guys failing out of training in the regionals... As an example, my friend at mainline AA showed me a thread on the APA forum and a memo from AMR was saying that sometimes up to 30-40% of guys arent making it through training at Eagle. So connections will only get you so far, then the rest is up to you.

 

One of my reasons for posting this thread is to get people thinking about joining the military. As you mentioned I never was in the military but I do have friends who were and witnessed the strange phenomenon of brothers being from the same guard unit then moving on to the same major airline where their father worked. Strange coincidence...

And for your information I am doing many positive things with my life like helping others on their path to or from the airlines.

By the way Shackone, You were in the military did any of your buddies have lunch with the chef pilot on your behalf?

Skyhigh

 

It seems to me that in the competitive world of airline hiring that the days of the unknown hire are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Airlines like Alaska Airlines and SWA have well established networking systems. They don't even try to masquerade it anymore.

If the age 60 rule is moved to 65 the average age of major airline new hires will jump to 45 years old, minimums will reach perhaps 3000 jet PIC and the applicant will have to be related to two people who work there. Hell it probably is heading there anyway.

To those of you reading this post who currently are not related to anyone at an airline tell your parents to start applying now.

SkyHigh

 

Perfect Shackone, could not have said it better!

Sky, please do us all a favor and go spend that quality time with the family you missed out on before you could not make it in the industry. The hours you spend daily on this site COMPLAINING and CRYING certainly could be better spent somewhere else. I don't mind the opposing view, but it's simply pathetic now. Your ignorance on military flight slots selections is amazing, maybe you know a few like that, I can assure you its not the norm. (Yes, I am sure there are SOME.) Let those of us who have done both handle the issue.

P.S. My daddy was/is a dairy farmer, it carried tremendous weight when I got the aircraft of my choice in the military.