EGL CA flew to age 69?
 

Eagle pilot recently fired for trying to change retirement age! Not new news, but interesting developements are popping up.

Did the Captain Fly 9 Years Past Retirement Age? | Flying Lessons - seattlepi.com

ALPA code of ethics promote honesty, integrity and safety. After decades of lying and falsifying medicals and other documents, rumor has it that ALPA legal is attempting to get AE to allow him to retire...(all alleged of course at this point of course). Another use of our dues dollars for defending someone that TSA, CBP, and the FBI are looking at for criminal charges...

Oh - CASS database didn't catch this. 10 year FBI background check didn't catch. DHS didn't catch this...and people wonder why we shouldn't "trust" our government to properly do their job on safety and security oversight. Wonder how many more out there gamed the system?

Also heard from some very senior Eagle people that a lot of Passover pay/award grievences are forthcoming.

FWIW, This American Bankruptcy fiasco is sadly being used to totally f$&@ over Eagle employees on this lowest bidder regional flying for American mainline and the race to the bottom for wages...sad.

Anybody have any more insight on this?

The title of your thread is stupid. He should be arrested and jailed just like the pilot who lied about having diabetes was.

It was a joke...
 

Attempt at humor with the title , as we have had hysteria with people saying age 70 was coming...obviously we are having a sense of humor failure.

It does look like federal charges are coming.

The multiple level failures on the government side are problematic. I could see one agency, but several is pretty bad.

Title changed, I clicked on this link expecting to see that my career has stagnated for another 4 years. Glad that wasn't the case.

This is all you needed to say. I agree with this. He improperly accessed CASS and KCM, with the potential to jeopardize these security programs, which under 49 CFR 1544 is a disqualifying crime.

Falsifying his certificates is also a disqualified. Is the OP saying that he is grieving his termination to get retirement status? I'll bet AA/Eagle will ban him from their planes anyway.

I say good for him. This industry is the only one where age discrimination is still legal. As long as you can pass the physical and your PCs, when you retire should be up to the individual, not some bureaurcrat in DC. And before you ask, I'm not anywhere near mandatory retirement, and I'm not interested in getting someone else's job just because they were forced to retire....

This is the most idiotic post I have seen in a long time.
And I've posted a few myself.

However you feel, the law is still the law. He lied, liars deserve and need to be punished.

Catch him if they can.... Lol

You can start by checking the cat houses in the DR. ;)

[subtle 64 year old pilot post]

Five year or more of falsifying federal documents is not going to end well for him.

I hope he's sent to prison. And not white collar country club prison either. I mean federal, pound me in the *** prison.

**** on that guy

Not even close to being true. There are MANY jobs that have mandatory age limts...

Hell, even American Idol has a max age... ;)

Get a clue. It is not the only industry which requires mandatory retirement at a certain age. Some examples off the top of my head: FBI and other federal agents (57), ATC controllers (56- with certain exceptions), some states Supreme Court Justices, Federsl Psrk Rangers, etc. etc....

But the requirement aside, I'd rather not be flying on a plane with an 80 year old pilot, even if he/she was healthy and sound of mind. I don't want to share the roads with them, let alone the skies.

Nevermind. Point made by other posters.

I heard he's moved to a non-extradition country. LOL!

What a scumbag. Typical greedy sleaze ball. Karma will bite him back.

Be careful what you say... you never know when you might have to eat your words. You/we really don't know his story, and as such, probably have no grounds by whih to judge this guy. The FAA, on the other hand, is a completely different story.

Not really. If he lied so he could fly past the mandatory retirement age, he's exactly what I called him. If he is proven innocent, then he isn't.

If what the allegations they say are true, johnso is spot on.

You are correct that the FAA is hardly a fair judge and jury.

I know his story. And as much as I liked him, it cost an upgrade and degraded QOL for anyone junior to him and that sucks. He was quite the character to fly with though.

Semantics, but he is to be proven guilty. Then you'd be right.

Nope. In my mid 40s. Nice try though.

You need to get a clue. Mandatory retirement for pilots has had much more to do with getting rid of senior pilots at the top of the pay scale than it ever did with safety. I'd rather fly with Hoot Gibson any day than some of these cheesesteak eating goobers in their mid 30s and 40s that are overweight, big as a house and one step from a coronary. Whether you can fly should have more to do with how well you take care of yourself and perform on flight checks than an arbitrary limit. The examples you cited are an agency or company placing limits on its employees, not an industry wide limit. And more and more of these are falling due to age discrimination lawsuits. Comparing what an FBI agent does to what we do in the cockpit is very different. Last time I checked there were some Supreme court judges will into their 80s, so I don't know what you are talking about. All the judges where I live are pretty old, and they keep forcing them out of retirement to cover for younger Judges for whatever reason.

The only business of the FAA is how I perform on flight checks and my flight physical. Anything else is none of their business. When you give a government agency an inch, they'll try and take a mile. Just look at the TSA.

Nice try. Obviously FBI agents do a different job than we do. But if I want to be one, I am forced out at 57. So in that sense, it is exactly the same. An arbitrary retirement age is an arbitrary retirement age. As for Justices, I said "some state" Supreme Court Justices, and I know that in Florida, they are forced out at a certain age (I think 70). Your notion of airline pilots being the only professionals that are forced out because of age is ignorant. Period. Whether you agree or disagree with that policy is another matter.

And you decry the injustice of being forced to retire because of age discrimination, yet argue that a guy who FALSIFIES documents should be lauded? Yeah...:rolleyes:

And while I have no problem with senior citizens, I'll let you fly with the 70+ crowd on a gusty, nasty, winter day, where good hand-eye coordination, and good reaction time, is important.

I'll agree with that. Uh oh! Phuz and I agree on something!!! Maybe the Mayans are correct!!! :eek::D

I couldn't agree more the mandatory retirement for 121 is and was a crock. It was born under the era of the CAA so that senior captains couldn't bid the jet originally.

Regardless, this pilot broke the rules. Quite frankly I'm sick of this whole notion that the rules apply to everyone but me. Having flown with I can also say he broke more than his fair share of the rules and regs. Despite all of that I like the guy. But when you get caught regardless of the oh so good intentions, face the it like a man or don't commit the crime.

+100 Well said.

Wow bunch of haters here!

Long Live the Legend.....The one and only Bueno.

I wouldn't worry about it because I only concern myself with what is under my control. Upgrade times, hiring, what others earn really don't concern me. All I worry about is preparing myself or opportunities and then taking them. Whining and crying about things beyond your control is a waste of time.

Have flown with many of these guys in corporate, and they are just as sharp as any pilot I've flown with. In fact sharper than some of the younger guys.

I agree he should have followed the rules, but I really hope this goes to trial. It will be interesting to see the government deny someone the ability to earn a living just because of an arbitrary age limit, not because they are no longer qualified to do their job.

I agree. I hope this works its way up through the courts and is eventually deemed unconstitutional. I hope people are able to work however long they want. I want to be a regional FO for another 20 years.

DMB

You're an airline pilot, thousands of wannabes want to be YOU! What's the beef? Airline pilots are cool.

GF

As have I. Many where sharp and many not so much. I agree on the mandatory retirement for two reasons.

One, I don't trust people and their typically flawed or lack of judgement. Most guys wouldn't know when to quit nor would they care.

Two, our "system" for deeming whether or not pilots are fit to fly is a joke! 1st class medicals basically come in a Cracker Jack box and check rides / PC's are a joke. Especially if you have been flying the same airframe for years.

If you want to do away with the retirement age then the "checking standards" need to drastically change.

Oh and yeah the guy needs to go to jail if proven guilty and ALPA needs to actually do something useful and let the judicial system handle this.

He wont be doing time since there will be no trial.

Haha I am the very opposite of cool.

Really? So if someone murdered a loved one of your's, you wouldn't seek justice? I mean after all, you can't control that. So don't cry over it. :rolleyes: