OO/CP
11-07-2012 | 01:37 PM
#11
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IMO, go to your preferred carrier, and forget about the other one. I say that for 2 reasons:
1. Going from SKW to Compass or vice versa will mean 3 years on 1st year pay. Need I say more?
2. when people jump companies like that, they start to impose training contracts (for good reason)
1. Going from SKW to Compass or vice versa will mean 3 years on 1st year pay. Need I say more?
2. when people jump companies like that, they start to impose training contracts (for good reason)
11-07-2012 | 02:14 PM
#12
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From: AA Airbus
Hi all... so myself and a few other very junior 9E'ers are in the same boat, we are swimming laps in the pool at CP and have job offers with class dates from OO. Question is do we jump to OO now and flee 9E or wait until the flow and attrition kicks into full force at CP? We for the most part have our minds made up just curious to see what you all think...
More info is needed, are you currently safely employed at 9E (not looking like you’ll be furloughed within the next 1-2 months)? If so then wait for CP. If not then I agree with PD, take the class with OO and when the time comes make the decision to stay or jump again. I will add that you’ll upgrade at CP long before you would at OO.
11-07-2012 | 02:27 PM
#13
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If you take the job, then leave and is promted to pay then it comes down to you not knowing your rights if you are stupid enough to pay. Training is a fixed cost. With that a budget is made, tax is paid, and tax cuts and returns are given. If a pilot leave one of these companies and is promted to pay do youself and the rest of us a favor and fill out IRS Form 3949-A. How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
Even if you sign the initial training "contract" its an illegal contract to begin with and will hold no grounds. You are signing this so called contract under duress. How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Either you sign this document on day one in training or no job for you. How is that legal? Does the HR person or chief pilot give you a chance and opportunity to review this document with a lawyer, I think not. They rush to get you to sign, then leave the room. Now you are intimidated with the impression that if you leave, you have to pay. That could be argued as duress. duress legal definition of duress. duress synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.. Though not vilolent, its still falls under duress due to the the force, stress, pressue and intimidation to sign or else be unemployed.
Paying back a training contract to any airline will be unreported income, therefore it is a tax fraud..
I'm honestly sick of hearing about these contracts and pilots scaring other pilots. Educate youself
11-07-2012 | 03:41 PM
#14
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Training contracts holds not legal grounds. Compass or any other 121 company has to legally training you for the job. Even if you already have an ERJ 190/170 type, they have to legally train you with their approved training program. You cant show up and day 1 and have them say, "you already have a CRJ, ERJ, DCH8 PIC/SIC type so you can skip the training. We will send you to OE to expidite this process."
If you take the job, then leave and is promted to pay then it comes down to you not knowing your rights if you are stupid enough to pay. Training is a fixed cost. With that a budget is made, tax is paid, and tax cuts and returns are given. If a pilot leave one of these companies and is promted to pay do youself and the rest of us a favor and fill out IRS Form 3949-A. How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
Even if you sign the initial training "contract" its an illegal contract to begin with and will hold no grounds. You are signing this so called contract under duress. How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Either you sign this document on day one in training or no job for you. How is that legal? Does the HR person or chief pilot give you a chance and opportunity to review this document with a lawyer, I think not. They rush to get you to sign, then leave the room. Now you are intimidated with the impression that if you leave, you have to pay. That could be argued as duress. duress legal definition of duress. duress synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.. Though not vilolent, its still falls under duress due to the the force, stress, pressue and intimidation to sign or else be unemployed.
Paying back a training contract to any airline will be unreported income, therefore it is a tax fraud..
I'm honestly sick of hearing about these contracts and pilots scaring other pilots. Educate youself
If you take the job, then leave and is promted to pay then it comes down to you not knowing your rights if you are stupid enough to pay. Training is a fixed cost. With that a budget is made, tax is paid, and tax cuts and returns are given. If a pilot leave one of these companies and is promted to pay do youself and the rest of us a favor and fill out IRS Form 3949-A. How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
Even if you sign the initial training "contract" its an illegal contract to begin with and will hold no grounds. You are signing this so called contract under duress. How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Either you sign this document on day one in training or no job for you. How is that legal? Does the HR person or chief pilot give you a chance and opportunity to review this document with a lawyer, I think not. They rush to get you to sign, then leave the room. Now you are intimidated with the impression that if you leave, you have to pay. That could be argued as duress. duress legal definition of duress. duress synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.. Though not vilolent, its still falls under duress due to the the force, stress, pressue and intimidation to sign or else be unemployed.
Paying back a training contract to any airline will be unreported income, therefore it is a tax fraud..
I'm honestly sick of hearing about these contracts and pilots scaring other pilots. Educate youself
11-07-2012 | 04:08 PM
#15
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Training contracts holds not legal grounds. Compass or any other 121 company has to legally training you for the job. Even if you already have an ERJ 190/170 type, they have to legally train you with their approved training program. You cant show up and day 1 and have them say, "you already have a CRJ, ERJ, DCH8 PIC/SIC type so you can skip the training. We will send you to OE to expidite this process."
If you take the job, then leave and is promted to pay then it comes down to you not knowing your rights if you are stupid enough to pay. Training is a fixed cost. With that a budget is made, tax is paid, and tax cuts and returns are given. If a pilot leave one of these companies and is promted to pay do youself and the rest of us a favor and fill out IRS Form 3949-A. How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
Even if you sign the initial training "contract" its an illegal contract to begin with and will hold no grounds. You are signing this so called contract under duress. How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Either you sign this document on day one in training or no job for you. How is that legal? Does the HR person or chief pilot give you a chance and opportunity to review this document with a lawyer, I think not. They rush to get you to sign, then leave the room. Now you are intimidated with the impression that if you leave, you have to pay. That could be argued as duress. duress legal definition of duress. duress synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.. Though not vilolent, its still falls under duress due to the the force, stress, pressue and intimidation to sign or else be unemployed.
Paying back a training contract to any airline will be unreported income, therefore it is a tax fraud..
I'm honestly sick of hearing about these contracts and pilots scaring other pilots. Educate youself
If you take the job, then leave and is promted to pay then it comes down to you not knowing your rights if you are stupid enough to pay. Training is a fixed cost. With that a budget is made, tax is paid, and tax cuts and returns are given. If a pilot leave one of these companies and is promted to pay do youself and the rest of us a favor and fill out IRS Form 3949-A. How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
Even if you sign the initial training "contract" its an illegal contract to begin with and will hold no grounds. You are signing this so called contract under duress. How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Either you sign this document on day one in training or no job for you. How is that legal? Does the HR person or chief pilot give you a chance and opportunity to review this document with a lawyer, I think not. They rush to get you to sign, then leave the room. Now you are intimidated with the impression that if you leave, you have to pay. That could be argued as duress. duress legal definition of duress. duress synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.. Though not vilolent, its still falls under duress due to the the force, stress, pressue and intimidation to sign or else be unemployed.
Paying back a training contract to any airline will be unreported income, therefore it is a tax fraud..
I'm honestly sick of hearing about these contracts and pilots scaring other pilots. Educate youself
11-07-2012 | 04:26 PM
#16
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From: 737 FO
Quick question for ya. Aren't training contracts available for review prior to the interview? A simple call to the training dept. would be all it would take if the applicant was doing their due diligence. There is no duress if a person has a reasonable amount of time to review it.
PITTARD v. GREAT LAKES AVIATION, No.
Pilot lost in that case.
11-07-2012 | 04:36 PM
#17
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From: Right Seat Spouse
Training contracts can be legally enforced.
PITTARD v. GREAT LAKES AVIATION, No.
Pilot lost in that case.
PITTARD v. GREAT LAKES AVIATION, No.
Pilot lost in that case.
11-07-2012 | 05:19 PM
#18
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From: CA
These training contracts are not worth the paper they are written on..
See the most recent case with Allen Miller vs Flexjet..In this case the pilot wins...
No clear winner in Flexjet training lawsuit | Aviation International News
And you are right.. No one should take my advise, contact a lawyer for yourself like I did...AOPA has an awesome legal service program.
http://aircrewbuzz.blogspot.com/2008...awsuit-vs.html
The case law is now available that cites with the pilots.
Last edited by EmbraerFlyer; 11-07-2012 at 05:39 PM.
11-07-2012 | 05:21 PM
#19
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Quick question for ya. Aren't training contracts available for review prior to the interview? A simple call to the training dept. would be all it would take if the applicant was doing their due diligence. There is no duress if a person has a reasonable amount of time to review it.
These contracts becomes legal when you sign a promissory note. When you leave a company with a training contract, they try to get you to sign a promissory note during an exit interview. If you dont sign it, its not a legal binding document...
11-07-2012 | 06:58 PM
#20
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From: Precarious
They give you plenty of time to review the training contract at CP. You know that the contract says $12k prorated $1k per month over the first year after training. If you dont like those terms, and really plan on bailing, don't give your word that you are going to stay. As a side note, how does three jobs in three years look to a prospective employer after the regional level? The regionals all pay pretty much the same, so the discriminators are working conditions and bases. The CP contract is not stellar, but in general the schedulers are willing to use what discretion they have to help a reserve guy be commutable. We have the best chief pilot you could ask for. He is very fair. I needed baby leave before I had a year in, and was still not eligible for FMLA. It went beyond my available sick time. The response was "No problem, family first". It is as good of a place as any to put in your regional time, and better than quite a few.
