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Old 11-27-2012 | 07:08 AM
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My point is that part of the pilot group didn't like the rules of the game so they fought to get the rules changed - great, congrats; but understand that it's hypocritical to turn around and deride the rest of the pilot group for not liking the rules of the game.
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Old 11-27-2012 | 12:58 PM
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Sorry, Todd, but it wasn't the lobbying of any part of the pilot group that changed the rules. It was Congressional response to the ICAO age change that had already been instituted in several other nations.

Let me ask you this: Is it fair that a foreign pilot over Age 60 could exercise their licenses in US airspace while an American pilot could not?
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Old 11-27-2012 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Moby Dick
Sorry, Todd, but it wasn't the lobbying of any part of the pilot group that changed the rules. It was Congressional response to the ICAO age change that had already been instituted in several other nations.

Let me ask you this: Is it fair that a foreign pilot over Age 60 could exercise their licenses in US airspace while an American pilot could not?
Well then let me ask you this: Is it fair that an Air France pilot can have a glass of wine with dinner on the way to the US?
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Old 11-27-2012 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
Is it fair that an Air France pilot can have a glass of wine with dinner on the way to the US?
Apparently that was a practice DECADES ago. One that ceased well over a decade ago. But the urban legend/myth STILL persists.
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Old 11-27-2012 | 06:00 PM
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Well then let me ask you this: Is it fair that an Air France pilot can have a glass of wine with dinner on the way to the US?
Its makes Denzel Washington one hell of a stick!
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Old 11-27-2012 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FLowpayFO
Its makes Denzel Washington one hell of a stick!
Now thats funny
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Old 11-27-2012 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
Well then let me ask you this: Is it fair that an Air France pilot can have a glass of wine with dinner on the way to the US?
No they can't.
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Old 11-27-2012 | 06:40 PM
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If they raise the age to 70, it's only fair that those that were forced into retirement from 2002-2007 should be able to come back (if they can hold a medical) and go right back to their place on the list.

See if the 64 year olds want to slide backwards for the next five years...
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Old 11-28-2012 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Moby Dick
Sorry, Todd, but it wasn't the lobbying of any part of the pilot group that changed the rules. It was Congressional response to the ICAO age change that had already been instituted in several other nations.

Let me ask you this: Is it fair that a foreign pilot over Age 60 could exercise their licenses in US airspace while an American pilot could not?
So low FO pay is not a legitimate source of complaint, because we should have known the pay rates before we took the job, but the mandatory retirement age, which had been law since the 50s, is not fair? I realize that ICAOs limit was a factor in Congress's decision, but so was the fact that, according to the Washington Post, "older pilots boosted their lobbying efforts to raise the age."
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Old 11-29-2012 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jimchi
12/13 is my birthday!
Well, happy early birthday! So, how old will you be ?
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