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Ftrooppilot 01-15-2013 07:50 AM

Posted 12/08/12 Before the TA was published.

I will go out (way out) on a limb and predict:

1. The Pinnacle Bankruptcy preceding will be settled quickly with minor impact on pilot pay and benefits.

2. At some point the transfer of Pinnacle CRJ900s to Express Jet will be halted.

3. Pinnacle will become an all CRJ900 company and will receive additional 900s from the Delta purchase.

4. Delta will establish a flow through program with Pinnacle.

5. Pinnacle will be moved to MSP.

POSTED 12/31/12 BEFORE THE "VAULT LETTER" was published.

IMHO - They will grant wavers "in the flow" for no college degree, etc. Imagine bypassing a 10,00 hr CRJ900 Captain because he does not have a BA in Underwater Basket Weaving. Supply and demand will dictate what waivers are granted.

POSTED 12/31/12 Before the TA was published.

I'll still go "way out on the limb" and predict that if the TA is passed, Delta will purchase Pinnacle. (probably for less money then they got for Mesaba )


Batting average is improving.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330620)
Ok thanks Tinpusher...unfortunately your opinion is now your contract. Please go away...you have done enough. The rest of us have to deal with this now. Thanks.

Real classy, man. But for someone like you, I should have voted no? Got it. Ill take your advice...you can continue to ***** in my absence.

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330638)
Real classy, man. But for someone like you, I should have voted no? Got it. Ill take your advice...you can continue to ***** in my absence.

Nope...forget about me.

But you did vote to legitimize your CEO's bankruptcy pay raise...you legitimized them peeing away every dollar...you legitimized them bullying you into fear. Thanks.

Will 01-15-2013 08:00 AM

Like somebody wrote a couple of pages ago, when its your turn just vote No.

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1330654)
Like somebody wrote a couple of pages ago, when its your turn just vote No.

A pinnacle pilot telling someone else to vote no? LOL

Your groups opinion is now worth the same as a pile of dog poop.

FWIW I will vote no when its my turn. I'll be damned before something takes a crap on me and tells me to eat it. I'll see it coming wayyyy before it does. The signs were there for you guys a long time ago.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330678)
A pinnacle pilot telling someone else to vote no? LOL

Your groups opinion is now worth the same as a pile of dog poop.

FWIW I will vote no when its my turn. I'll be damned before something takes a crap on me and tells me to eat it. I'll see it coming wayyyy before it does. The signs were there for you guys a long time ago.

And if the majority of your coworkers vote it in, you're going to quit, right?

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330694)
And if the majority of your coworkers vote it in, you're going to quit, right?

I won't even be around to see the outcome of the vote.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330696)
I won't even be around to see the outcome of the vote.

Must be nice. I sure wish I had that kind of guarantee. Maybe I would have voted no for this. As you were...

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330705)
Must be nice. I sure wish I had that kind of guarantee. Maybe I would have voted no for this. As you were...

I sure wish you had foresight and fortitude also man.

As YOU were...o wait....

IBPilot 01-15-2013 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330696)
I won't even be around to see the outcome of the vote.


ahh yes...silver spooner who can go back and live with mom and dad and have them pay for more flight training or another degree?:rolleyes::D

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1330713)
ahh yes...silver spooner who can go back and live with mom and dad and have them pay for more flight training or another degree?:rolleyes::D

Nope I am clever enough to recognize a slow train wreck coming.

I have made smart financial decisions...lived on my own since 18...covered my own flight training...homeowner...etc.

You have been at a bankrupt regional for the better part of a year now...it isn't any one else's fault that you haven't planned for this.

IBPilot 01-15-2013 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330726)
Nope I am clever enough to recognize a slow train wreck coming.

I have made smart financial decisions...lived on my own since 18...covered my own flight training...homeowner...etc.

You have been at a bankrupt regional for the better part of a year now...it isn't any one else's fault that you haven't planned for this.


Oh you know my financial situation and my seniority and my the size of my bank account and whether I plan ahead or am finacially responsible? Miss Cleo, is that you????

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330708)
I sure wish you had foresight and fortitude also man.

As YOU were...o wait....

Well, if you're so certain you wont even be in your current job for much longer, why are you so up in arms about this TA. Clearly, I'm beneath you, so is the rest of this pilot group. Why are you wasting your time? And fwiw, big balls do nothing when you cant pay bills, my friend! You have no idea what foresight I have beyond this place. But I really will stop posting now. The soapbox is yours, oh great one with unmatched fortitude!

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1330731)
Oh you know my financial situation and my seniority and my the size of my bank account and whether I plan ahead or am finacially responsible? Miss Cleo, is that you????

Just like you know I am a silver spooner and I can go live with mom and dad right????

IBPilot 01-15-2013 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330726)
..it isn't any one else's fault that you haven't planned for this.


and it isn't any other regional pilot's fault that you got into this industry apparently not knowing what the race to the bottom was.....guess you didn't plan on other airlines having to vote on concessions and affecting yours eh? and why do you act like this is the first time an airline has voted on concessions??????

IBPilot 01-15-2013 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330735)
Just like you know I am a silver spooner and I can go live with mom and dad right????

notice I put a question mark...I was asking.......

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1330737)
and it isn't any other regional pilot's fault that you got into this industry apparently not knowing what the race to the bottom was.....guess you didn't plan on other airlines having to vote on concessions and affecting yours eh? and why do you act like this is the first time an airline has voted on concessions??????

Sorry dude...I got into an airline that was setting the bar higher at the time. The opinion of a Pinnacle yes voter means nothing right now. Your words are falling on deaf ears.

Enjoy your new contract.

IBPilot 01-15-2013 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330740)
Sorry dude...I got into an airline that was setting the bar higher at the time. The opinion of a Pinnacle yes voter means nothing right now. Your words are falling on deaf ears.

Enjoy your new contract.


dude, I was probably at your precious regional at one time and left because Pinnacle was better for me. You're one of these new guys that didn't notice they cyclical nature of who is the bottom feeder one day and who is the place to be the next, and vice versa, eh?

N2Core 01-15-2013 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330734)
Well, if you're so certain you wont even be in your current job for much longer, why are you so up in arms about this TA. Clearly, I'm beneath you, so is the rest of this pilot group. Why are you wasting your time? And fwiw, big balls do nothing when you cant pay bills, my friend! You have no idea what foresight I have beyond this place. But I really will stop posting now. The soapbox is yours, oh great one with unmatched fortitude!

Well, your upgrade is long gone and you have no guarantee of any other job but another regional. Maybe when your longevity matches up you can transition over to being a flight attendant at Pinnacle, make more money, and then pay your bills even better!

NoHandHold 01-15-2013 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1330745)
dude, I was probably at your precious regional at one time and left because Pinnacle was better for me. You're one of these new guys that didn't notice they cyclical nature of who is the bottom feeder one day and who is the place to be the next, and vice versa, eh?

Enjoy your new contract.

mooney 01-15-2013 09:08 AM

I just glad Pinnacle pilots had enough class not to post crap when other airlines were voting on concessions, and hopefully they do in the future when it happens to you-know-who's airlines...

BIGRIG 01-15-2013 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by NoHandHold (Post 1330726)
Nope I am clever enough to recognize a slow train wreck coming.

I have made smart financial decisions...lived on my own since 18...covered my own flight training...homeowner...etc.

How did you do it? I don't know anybody who lived on their own at 18. And I know a lot of people.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330746)
Well, your upgrade is long gone and you have no guarantee of any other job but another regional. Maybe when your longevity matches up you can transition over to being a flight attendant at Pinnacle, make more money, and then pay your bills even better!

My upgrade is gone, correct. I was a captain though...at least I have some PIC time on the books.

No guarantee of anything but another regional? I can guess where you might have pulled that statement from and you can shove it right back up there.

I dont know who told you a F/A makes more than me now or after the new payrates go into effect tomorrow but it's BS. And hey, I would have been much better off collecting unemployment huh? I could have your tax dollars pay my bills.


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