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Boomer 01-04-2013 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Pinchanickled (Post 1322407)
2.). That is if you believe Delta isn't bluffing. Do you believe everything? What's next, they tell you to work for free and you do it?...

Was Delta bluffing the three times they told Comair "Just vote for these concessions. You're just a little bit too expensive. Pass this TA and we'll make all your pain go away..."

CheckPower 01-04-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Flyformoney (Post 1323607)
I am impressed with how well Delta has orchestrated the bankruptcy of Pinnacle. This is one of the best union busting jobs I've ever seen. The sub standard career regional pilots face is a direct result of their inability to unify themselves or persevere against a more organized and intelligent management. Checkmate! lowered the bar again.


Sad, but very true. And the race continues. Cant wait to see who wins. LOL

Isnt "Intelligent Management" an oxymoron?

SmitteyB 01-05-2013 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1323867)
I did say "I don't know" regarding a specific fleet type percentages. Instead I went by whole performance percentages.


D:0. A:14.
S5 72.70 % DL 88.30 %
CP 72.40 % EV 85.10 %
OO 71.10 % OO 82.90 %
RP 71.10 % G7 81.10 %
DL 70.70 % S5 81.10 %
EV 70.60 % 9E 79.10 %
G7 68.90 % CP 79.00 %
9E 67.70 % RP 72.10 %

DO- departure on time
A:14- arrive within 14 minutes of arrival time.

As for completion factor, all DCI carriers are 98 percentile or higher.

I think these numbers are not controllable which means even delays placed on ramp, gate, ATC, and weather are all included. Can you get your hands on on controllable data? Because that is how Delta measures regional performance metrics.

Ftrooppilot 01-14-2013 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1321282)
Delta will not grant any waivers on no degree. . . . .

"Not included in the TA or Bridge Agreement documents presented to the Pinnacle pilots is a letter from Steve Dixon (Sr. VP Flight Operations) to Tom Wychor (Pinnacle MEC Chairman). The purpose of the letter is to confirm an agreement between the two whereby Pinnacle pilots are able to flow to Delta without meeting the published minimums, specifically waiving the college degree requirement. Wychor has complied with Dixon’s request to “not publicize or make public” the details of this "Vault Letter", as a majority of Pinnacle pilots have not seen it (or do not even know about it)".

Carried over from Delta thread.

Fly782 01-14-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1330280)
Not included in the TA or Bridge Agreement documents presented to the Pinnacle pilots is a letter from Steve Dixon (Sr. VP Flight Operations) to Tom Wychor (Pinnacle MEC Chairman). The purpose of the letter is to confirm an agreement between the two whereby Pinnacle pilots are able to flow to Delta without meeting the published minimums, specifically waiving the college degree requirement. Wychor has complied with Dixon’s request to “not publicize or make public” the details of this "Vault Letter", as a majority of Pinnacle pilots have not seen it (or do not even know about it).

I see that now, very surprising. O well

80ktsClamp 01-14-2013 07:37 PM

You more junior Pinnacle boys had better be up at arms over this vault letter. The North Mississippi flying club is stepping all over you who disciplined yourselves, got your degree, and kept your nose clean. Now they have sidestepped the requirements that are specifically outlined in the Bridge Agreement so they get their shot at an interview they should never have as well as get the big payout from this deal.

N2Core 01-14-2013 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1330291)
You more junior Pinnacle boys had better be up at arms over this vault letter. The North Mississippi flying club is stepping all over you who disciplined yourselves, got your degree, and kept your nose clean. Now they have sidestepped the requirements that are specifically outlined in the Bridge Agreement so they get their shot at an interview they should never have as well as get the big payout from this deal.

And I would ask you to be in up in arms about this to your company as well. While I don't have an issue with a "true" flow (which this isn't), and you and I don't see eye-to-eye on the subject, I do not believe that your criteria for hiring should be waived or adjusted to accomodate anyone. Including myself. The requirements are the requirements.

80ktsClamp 01-14-2013 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330314)
And I would ask you to be in up in arms about this to your company as well. While I don't have an issue with a "true" flow (which this isn't), and you and I don't see eye-to-eye on the subject, I do not believe that your criteria for hiring should be waived or adjusted to accomodate anyone. Including myself. The requirements are the requirements.

Oh I am! I'm working with a few others to figure out if there is any recourse of action to be taken.

Probably the most efficient method to nuke the "vault" letter is from within 9E, as it harshly effects the people there directly.

whataclub 01-14-2013 08:22 PM

All that does is remove the requirement of the degree to get an interview correct? Could Delta could still find a way to reject them come actual interview time?

Boomer 01-14-2013 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by whataclub (Post 1330325)
Could Delta could still find a way to reject them come actual interview time?

Yes, but that's why Anderson and Wychor signed a double-secret sub-vault letter saying that all 9E pilots without a four year degree will automatically pass the drug test.


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