Pinnacle is done; let's bow out with dignity.
12-01-2012 | 07:06 AM
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Thanks for the condescending comments. I would love to move into my parents basement and rent my house out but my parents would have a dim view of that idea. I could probably save a nice lump of cash but I have actually come from owning my own business, have a side business/sales job, and make more outside this industry then I do in it.
It is not hard to find work in most areas and in your post two above this one you are saying a $500 a week job is easier to come by... well guess how much take home pay is for a regional fo after paying for crappy medical benefits, meals on the road, ...? Not far off the $500 a week at home depot. I worked at home depot in college and was able to make $12 an hour as a complete moron, college kid. I know everyone likes to justify this career with "it is tough out there" but you can find a job if you need one and roll up your sleeves.
You could replace this job and I would bet that like most people that have done it they would find that they are happier. There is more to life then flying an airplane for a company that treats you like a cog in a machine.
It is not hard to find work in most areas and in your post two above this one you are saying a $500 a week job is easier to come by... well guess how much take home pay is for a regional fo after paying for crappy medical benefits, meals on the road, ...? Not far off the $500 a week at home depot. I worked at home depot in college and was able to make $12 an hour as a complete moron, college kid. I know everyone likes to justify this career with "it is tough out there" but you can find a job if you need one and roll up your sleeves.
You could replace this job and I would bet that like most people that have done it they would find that they are happier. There is more to life then flying an airplane for a company that treats you like a cog in a machine.
As regional FO you're at the bottom. $80k is pretty reasonable to expect in the next few years for most if them. That's enough to hold you over a bit and is better than pushing a broom.
This is a thread drift, so ill leave with one last point. If (big if) you think,for example, going from $80k/$35k CA/FO to $70k/$30k would keep you off the street is weakness, then you better grow a big brass pair when you get into the real world and look for work.
12-01-2012 | 07:58 AM
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Just leave the industry if the grass is greener on the other side of your fence. For everybody who thinks shutting this place down will change the regional industry you are wrong.
I propose that all the pilots who work at a substandard regional airline just quit. Do it for us, make your own point lose your job that would help us. But nobody will do that. Pilots working at those places put us in this position. We raised the bar you guys lowered it, and now you want us to fall on the sword.
The regional have changed for a long time. Gone are the days of staying at a regional for life. Closing the doors will do nothing unless all the bottom feeder regional pilots have the balls just to quit.
I talked to my rep and suggest all 9E pilots call them if they have questions the e-mails don't answer. It's a bad situation but one I believe we will get through with deep cuts. We will fight another day when the industry changes again. In closing if you are a pilot working at a bottom feeder regional look in the mirror and ask yourself have you helped the industry or hurt by taking a job where ever you work.
I propose that all the pilots who work at a substandard regional airline just quit. Do it for us, make your own point lose your job that would help us. But nobody will do that. Pilots working at those places put us in this position. We raised the bar you guys lowered it, and now you want us to fall on the sword.
The regional have changed for a long time. Gone are the days of staying at a regional for life. Closing the doors will do nothing unless all the bottom feeder regional pilots have the balls just to quit.
I talked to my rep and suggest all 9E pilots call them if they have questions the e-mails don't answer. It's a bad situation but one I believe we will get through with deep cuts. We will fight another day when the industry changes again. In closing if you are a pilot working at a bottom feeder regional look in the mirror and ask yourself have you helped the industry or hurt by taking a job where ever you work.
12-01-2012 | 08:04 AM
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Just leave the industry if the grass is greener on the other side of your fence. For everybody who thinks shutting this place down will change the regional industry you are wrong.
I propose that all the pilots who work at a substandard regional airline just quit. Do it for us, make your own point lose your job that would help us. But nobody will do that. Pilots working at those places put us in this position. We raised the bar you guys lowered it, and now you want us to fall on the sword.
The regional have changed for a long time. Gone are the days of staying at a regional for life. Closing the doors will do nothing unless all the bottom feeder regional pilots have the balls just to quit.
I talked to my rep and suggest all 9E pilots call them if they have questions the e-mails don't answer. It's a bad situation but one I believe we will get through with deep cuts. We will fight another day when the industry changes again. In closing if you are a pilot working at a bottom feeder regional look in the mirror and ask yourself have you helped the industry or hurt by taking a job where ever you work.
I propose that all the pilots who work at a substandard regional airline just quit. Do it for us, make your own point lose your job that would help us. But nobody will do that. Pilots working at those places put us in this position. We raised the bar you guys lowered it, and now you want us to fall on the sword.
The regional have changed for a long time. Gone are the days of staying at a regional for life. Closing the doors will do nothing unless all the bottom feeder regional pilots have the balls just to quit.
I talked to my rep and suggest all 9E pilots call them if they have questions the e-mails don't answer. It's a bad situation but one I believe we will get through with deep cuts. We will fight another day when the industry changes again. In closing if you are a pilot working at a bottom feeder regional look in the mirror and ask yourself have you helped the industry or hurt by taking a job where ever you work.
12-01-2012 | 08:49 AM
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So I guess voting down TA1 doesn't mean anything? We tossed it out and waited for a better one.
12-01-2012 | 08:58 AM
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Every regional was a bottom feeder st some point. It goes in cycles. Even express jet aka coex.
12-01-2012 | 09:02 AM
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12-01-2012 | 09:28 AM
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I'm really trying to understand your logic, but for the life of me, I can't.
12-01-2012 | 09:52 AM
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The idea is that one group gets a good contract! Then another group points to that contract as leverage for a better contract. Then repeat with the next group. We all have to try to build off each other.
12-01-2012 | 09:55 AM
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To Johnso: Yes I am well aware of that
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