Pinnacle is done; let's bow out with dignity.
12-03-2012 | 02:34 PM
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Couldn't agree more. That is very sad. I wish regionals were still regionals. Small props flying from a small city that can't support mainline aircraft to a large hub where they connect with mainline. Now we have regional aircraft flying between hubs that are three hours apart. It's crazy. I thought 80ktsclamp was trying to make a comparison between Nov. 2000 and Oct. 2002 because of the way he/she posted both of them together. That was what I was asking about.
12-03-2012 | 02:38 PM
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The saddest part of it is that pilots voted on contracts that allowed most of the regional growth. How many 76 regional jets are there going to be in 2014?
12-03-2012 | 03:46 PM
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Couldn't agree more. That is very sad. I wish regionals were still regionals. Small props flying from a small city that can't support mainline aircraft to a large hub where they connect with mainline. Now we have regional aircraft flying between hubs that are three hours apart. It's crazy. I thought 80ktsclamp was trying to make a comparison between Nov. 2000 and Oct. 2002 because of the way he/she posted both of them together. That was what I was asking about.
12-03-2012 | 03:49 PM
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All this is another part of why this conversation is going on at Pinnacle... once the 88 717s are taken (raising quite a few more mainline jobs than there are today, too), it is more than one airline's worth of 50 seaters that have to be parked, and they seem to be intent on dumping them even earlier than required (a major reason why I voted no on the TA, but that's water under the bridge) .
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12-03-2012 | 05:27 PM
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With 100% those being forced down their throats in bankruptcy contracts. Thankfully the latest DL contract pares down the regional fleet significantly at the expense of a few more 76 seaters. I didn't like how many were allowed, but I'm ok with the concept.
All this is another part of why this conversation is going on at Pinnacle... once the 88 717s are taken (raising quite a few more mainline jobs than there are today, too), it is more than one airline's worth of 50 seaters that have to be parked, and they seem to be intent on dumping them even earlier than required (a major reason why I voted no on the TA, but that's water under the bridge) .
All this is another part of why this conversation is going on at Pinnacle... once the 88 717s are taken (raising quite a few more mainline jobs than there are today, too), it is more than one airline's worth of 50 seaters that have to be parked, and they seem to be intent on dumping them even earlier than required (a major reason why I voted no on the TA, but that's water under the bridge) .
12-03-2012 | 05:43 PM
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Here's to some relief from the pain, stagnation, and otherwise craphole that the state of things are now.
12-03-2012 | 06:13 PM
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The 717s are to replace lift of the DC-9s (17 left) and CRJs being parked. Mainline fleet count is now ~720 and with the delivery of the 717s, the mainline fleet is planned to go to 796. That's quite a few more pilot positions and 20 airplanes more than DL/NW combined had premerger.
Here's to some relief from the pain, stagnation, and otherwise craphole that the state of things are now.
Here's to some relief from the pain, stagnation, and otherwise craphole that the state of things are now.
12-03-2012 | 06:16 PM
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Looking at the way things are going, I would say the 717's are replacing the current 76 seat jet routes(former DC9), while the new and newer 76 seat jets will be replacing the 50 seat jets on most of their current routes. In other words, Delta is simply up-sizing its fleet instead of shifting flying back to mainline, but scope relief takes time. You will know the answer to this if the next Dal TA has more 76 seat jets in it, but with shorter route limits vs block hour limits.
Semantics.
Also, I don't know about more 76 seaters in the next TA... we'll see. The current TA drastically reduces the amount of seats (and even moreso aircraft) that are currently at DCI and transfers those back to mainline.
12-03-2012 | 06:16 PM
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Looking at the way things are going, I would say the 717's are replacing the current 76 seat jet routes(former DC9), while the new and newer 76 seat jets will be replacing the 50 seat jets on most of their current routes. In other words, Delta is simply up-sizing its fleet instead of shifting flying back to mainline, but scope relief takes time. You will know the answer to this if the next Dal TA has more 76 seat jets in it, but with shorter route limits vs block hour limits.
12-03-2012 | 06:40 PM
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Except the amount of DCI seats leaving via 50 seaters exceeds what is coming in via additional 76 seaters. Also, with 300+ 50 seaters and 255 large RJs the DCI fleet currently sits at 550+ airframes. So we will be seeing more mainline flying & less DCI flying, mainly through a reduction in total DCI airframes and seats.
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