I see where you got your resent and bitterness from.

 

To whom, & to what aircraft? The DCI fleet is being capped at 450 aircraft. It's at 550+ aircraft right now.

 

I didn't say that at all, but Delta is leading the way. And I'm talking all the way down to ground handling. It's pathetic what their doing to Regional elite, Pinnacle, and what they've already done to comair. I'm appalled that you think it's ok??? I suspect I'd hear a different tune if you were on the other side. I'm not sure why your point of view is so lopsided. I would think as a moderator you'd be more open minded. I agree that Pinnacle's management has been less than stellar, but Delta guided them into banruptcy, and is pulling the strings through the bankruptcy process. Pinnacle's management, as well as others, are like puppets. They do whatever Delta tells them too.Do you think it was a coincidence that Pinnacle got rid if their Saabs and Q 400's that we flew for United and Continental? No, It was a condition for Delta to provide the DIP financing that we fly for no one else. Ask youself what Delta has to gain if Pinnacle is successful in setting a new bottom in the regional indusrty? They get to maximize their profits even more at the expense of others. We are already under paid. And that's going to set off a chain reaction for the rest of DCI to follow. You said youself that you flew a 50 seater for more than what most people make flying 51+ seats. I'd be willing to be that it wasn't as a Delta connection.

 

Being a moderator does not exclude me from having an opinion. And you keep missing my point. At no time have I posted that I was not turned off by what Delta is doing to RES. I stated that what is happening to 9E is not Delta PILOTS fault. You are the one that continues to imply that I have no problem with Delta dropping the guantlet on their outsourced help. Outsourcing is a nasty part of business, & all industries are guilty of it. I'm sure Pinnacle is guilty of outsourcing to lower paying jobs, but I don't see pilots leaving their jobs because of it.


Of course they did!! Why in the world would Delta provide financing to Pinnacle that in turn would support their competitors lift?!!!!!? If you ran a business, would you loan money to someone who in turn would use it to provide services for one of your competitors? I highly doubt you would. Also, was 9E management forced to accept DIP financing from Delta? Were the terms were laid out before hand?


Delta gains cheap terms. That means higher profits. That's business, & all Legacy airlines are guilty of it. It's a nasty part of the industry. Delta is not the only one guilty of whipsaw. It was happening under Continental's fist when I was at CoEx. AMR is doing it to Eagle. It's part of the industry, & it sucks.

 

Yes now, tomorrow is a different story. Do you honestly believe better economic times are ahead with the morons we have in government now. This all rides on the economy, I'm sorry but I don't have a warm and fuzzy about this. The bankruptcy game can and has been played at mainline also. Your scope isn't worth the paper it's printed on for that very reason. I seriously hope I am dead wrong on this. Time as always is the acid test.

 

I'm not getting into politics because it violates the rules of this forum. However, our scope clause along with our multiple layers of no furlough clauses prevented furloughs in 2009. Remember, this was after fuel spiked at $147 per barrel & the economy entered a recession? UAL, CAL, Us Air, AA furloughed while DAL did not. Management knew furloughs would incur massive costs which outweighed savings from furloughs. So while they can't stop furloughs 100% of the time, they do make furloughs much more expensive.

Also, management doesn't have a magic BK button they can push whenever they want savings. It's not that easy. It took 80+ years for Delta to enter BK. Delta was days from liquidation when they filed. And now there is way less pension obligation payments, much lower lease payments, lower labor costs, etc.

Furloughs are always a threat in this industry. It comes with the territory.

 

You work for an contract company that can be replace at anytime. It is not just a 9e thing. It is in any business. What does delta owe you? Do you actually work for delta? What name is on your check?

 

Bankruptcy creates those rates, management closed Comair down, Pinnacle management is the root of all Pinnacle's problems .... I could add more.

Man up and be truthful about Delta pilots role in all of this mess; first with Comair, and now, apparently, with Pinnacle. All your posts show no responsiblity, whatsoever, for the current condition of the regionals. (And before you start the rant about the history of the regionals - I am specifically referring to current devolution of the DCI fleet.) You have accelerated the race to the bottom and exacerbated it's gravity.

And, I, for one, have a long memory. Someday the other show will drop, and it will be Delta pilots turn to take the fall. You can't keep brow-beating DCI pilot rates without it eventually having an effect on your own.

 

What needs to be understood here is the current management team did not put us in BK. Phil's management team did.

 

I think the furloughed 2001 delta/NWA guys and gals might have a long memory also.