Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1304567)

I've been hearing for a while now that Delta was over staffed since the merger. So I don't think your estimate of 800 positions is very accurate. Just saying.... Also, it seems your vision is very narrow. You seem to defend Delta for all their business decisions, and to me it appears that you have forgotten where you came from. Congratulations to you for getting hired at mother Delta, but working for Delta may not be everyone's dream. The scope of Deltas actions is a lot bigger than adding 200 or so positions. Try looking at the thousands of people that lose their jobs because of greedy investors, or all the smaller communities that lose their service because of Deltas egotistical view on prop airplanes. I hear all the time from Delta pilots how the regionals should have stayed commuter and never been given jets. Now, I ask you this, how is this possible with Deltas view on turboprops? The regionals took many years to get to the level they are at now, and Deltas expedited reduction is hurting a lot of good people, and good families. What is the rush? You say it's just business, and maybe that's the way it is now. But not that long ago employers used to show compassion, and not just look at the almighty dollar

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1304588)

Um....what? So what you're saying is it's only Delta execs reducing service, outsourcing to the lowest bidder, & maximizing profits? Because you're wrong. They all do it. Are you saying Pinnacle cares for it's employees? Or ExpressJet, PSA, Piedmont, Us Air, Mesa, UAL, American Airlines, TranStates, Republic, or Spirit to name a few? Don't try to single Delta out, because you can't. Check out UAL's latest scope proposal. It's almost identical to DAL.

And where am I'm cheering for loss of jobs? I'm simply stating facts that pilot jobs are being shifted back to mainline. And many of the smaller communities you mention only have service because the airports are part of EAS routes. Service will not stop to those communities. It just won't be on Delta. And if it does, gripe to the government. They control it. And Delta still uses EMB120's operated by Skywest and SF340's operated by Silver Airways.

I have not forgot where I came from, or how I got to where I am. But I'm tired of seeing people point fingers at Delta pilots for Pinnacle's problems. Pinnacle is in the situation they are because of one reason, and that's Pinnacle management.

Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1304591)

Have you compared the rates "before" and "after"? Do you really see the aftermath?

Feel free to bite back, be sure to research first. I remember high school, with parents and friends completely nieve to reality, welcome to the club. Denial is the best avenue to happiness.

While mgmt did screw it up, your posts give off every bit of stereotype involving "moving on and bashing the past".

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1304668)

If you're referring to 9e proposed concesssionary rates, I fail to see how that is relevant to my point. Delta pilots did not create those rates. Delta pilots latest contract didn't create those rates. Bankruptcy creates those rates.

How am I bashing the past? I hold no ill will towards regional pilots. Show me where I've put any blame on the pilots. My coming on here and defending Delta pilots is in no way "moving on and bashing the past". I also flew for a regional were pilots were paid more to fly 50 seaters then most 51+ seat operators.

And explain to me just exactly what I'm am in denial about.

Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 1304684)

Whoa.... 10,000 posts?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1304588)

Um....what? So what you're saying is it's only Delta execs reducing service, outsourcing to the lowest bidder, & maximizing profits? Because you're wrong. They all do it. Are you saying Pinnacle cares for it's employees? Or ExpressJet, PSA, Piedmont, Us Air, Mesa, UAL, American Airlines, TranStates, Republic, or Spirit to name a few? Don't try to single Delta out, because you can't. Check out UAL's latest scope proposal. It's almost identical to DAL.

And where am I'm cheering for loss of jobs? I'm simply stating facts that pilot jobs are being shifted back to mainline. And many of the smaller communities you mention only have service because the airports are part of EAS routes. Service will not stop to those communities. It just won't be on Delta. And if it does, gripe to the government. They control it. And Delta still uses EMB120's operated by Skywest and SF340's operated by Silver Airways.

I have not forgot where I came from, or how I got to where I am. But I'm tired of seeing people point fingers at Delta pilots for Pinnacle's problems. Pinnacle is in the situation they are because of one reason, and that's Pinnacle management.

Originally Posted by BladeRunner (Post 1304800)

I believe the only reason mainline is taking back DCI feed is to insulate itself from the loss of feed by shutting down expensive DCI carriers like OH and possibly 9E. Once this major wage adjustment is done at the regional level, you will lose those routes again as quickly as you got them. Obama's America is a bankrupt America, only the very lean and mean companies will survive this onslaught of higher taxes and regulations. Anderson knows this, do we?

Originally Posted by BladeRunner (Post 1304800)

I believe the only reason mainline is taking back DCI feed is to insulate itself from the loss of feed by shutting down expensive DCI carriers like OH and possibly 9E. Once this major wage adjustment is done at the regional level, you will lose those routes again as quickly as you got them. Obama's America is a bankrupt America, only the very lean and mean companies will survive this onslaught of higher taxes and regulations. Anderson knows this, do we?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1304668)

If you're referring to 9e proposed concesssionary rates, I fail to see how that is relevant to my point. Delta pilots did not create those rates. Delta pilots latest contract didn't create those rates. Bankruptcy creates those rates.

How am I bashing the past? I hold no ill will towards regional pilots. Show me where I've put any blame on the pilots. My coming on here and defending Delta pilots is in no way "moving on and bashing the past". I also flew for a regional were pilots were paid more to fly 50 seaters then most 51+ seat operators.
And explain to me just exactly what I'm am in denial about.

Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1304845)

To quote Bachman turner overdrive..."ain't seen nothing yet." Wait til we get hit with a comprehensive energy tax and jet a goes to about $10 a gallon. Ima start working now on my monorail drivers license.