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Old 12-13-2012 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
No matter what, its somewhat saddening to see Lee Moak's and Roger Cohen's signatures together for a common cause.

exactly. I hate Cohen, pretty much the dick cheney of the airline world haha
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Old 12-13-2012 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
exactly. I hate Cohen, pretty much the dick cheney of the airline world haha
Oh, I know, Cohen is so full of **** his skin is turning brown.
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Old 12-13-2012 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
How many of these people are there, really? Alpa says they have been employed for a 'considerable' amount of time yet they have not reached 1500 hours? The airlines have known about this rule for over 2 years, they should have been hiring with it in mind.

Who has been hiring people that wouldnt meet this rule anyhow? Gojet comes to mind, but they aren't alpa.
As of now, I know of at least 2 people at Horizon that still have close to 300 hours to go... The company has been building them lines in order to get them more flying than they would have on reserve.

Which sucks if you're the one just above them on the bid triangle, like me...
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Old 12-13-2012 | 11:05 AM
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Ya, we should all allow the low time pilots to bypass other "Higher time" pilots so they can get their time. And in doing so make more money and have better than reserve schedules.
Sounds fair to me.

Or we send them back to the real world where they can flight instruct, fly 135 day VFR, banner tow or whatever. And earn their airline job.
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Old 12-13-2012 | 11:17 AM
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Can't help but think the number of pilots this would impact number in the tens...
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Old 12-13-2012 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
Why didnt they make an exemption for pilots who turned 60 before the 60 rule then to come back in seniority? ALPA is losing its mind, and has no idea what it is fighting for anymore. Glad Michigan voted for the right to work. These unions need to go.
You realize state "right to work" legislation doesn't apply to airlines right?
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Old 12-13-2012 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
As of now, I know of at least 2 people at Horizon that still have close to 300 hours to go... The company has been building them lines in order to get them more flying than they would have on reserve.

Which sucks if you're the one just above them on the bid triangle, like me...
Unless they signed some kind of MOU or LOA, your union oughta step in and pay protect everyone senior those who get a special line. The company has to do what it has to do to get the pilots qualified, but it also has to pay everyone who was bypassed (assuming no special contractual loopholes).
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Old 12-13-2012 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotrob23
Why didnt they make an exemption for pilots who turned 60 before the 60 rule then to come back in seniority? ALPA is losing its mind, and has no idea what it is fighting for anymore. Glad Michigan voted for the right to work. These unions need to go.
Yes, because fighting cabotage and foreign ownership, as well as working for better FTDT regs, more strict safety standards, NEXTGEN airspace, more strict lithium battery shipping standards, higher pay, better work rules & job protection is just silly.
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Old 12-13-2012 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Very, very few. I guess I'm OK with grandfathering anyone who's been employed for 13 months or more.

But anyone who took an airline job with 300 hours last month should have known better...they can go back to their Cessna.

As to APA's motives, the same as they always are...people with less than 13 months don't pay dues
I'm not okay with it. I have friends still at regionals, and I'm hearing companies are violating contracts right and left to get low time guys extra hours.
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Old 12-13-2012 | 05:12 PM
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They might need waivers for the 22 year olds with only 100 hrs PIC time and of questionable moral character.

I've seen some CA's with the 61.159(d) ICAO limitation, and they weren't allowed out of the country. I wonder if an ATP with that limitation would be allowed.
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