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Old 12-14-2012 | 06:10 AM
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For those folks concerned about people under them unfairly getting some extra time to make the cutoff.. consider that if they dont you'll have fewer folks underneath you.

This works both ways, and I think we're all in it together. I am low time and a new hire this past fall. My company like most had been raising TT to interview each month so that we should all make it, but it is still nerve racking until I get a line and the math works out to show that I can get 1500 in time. Ive got about 400hrs to go and would like to get my 15 with a month to spare, ideally. I'm begging crew sched. every day I go without reserve flying. So far I have been lucky as a reservist, but could still use more.
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Old 12-14-2012 | 06:59 AM
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Fewer qualified folks would be better. There are plenty of pilots in this country with more than enough flight time. They just don't want to work for the crap wages at the regional level or majors for that matter. The more the FAA gives in the less valuable the profession. Either your not qualified your not. How hard is this? The easier it is to become a ATP rated pilot the cheaper we are all worth.
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Old 12-14-2012 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by M20EPilot
For those folks concerned about people under them unfairly getting some extra time to make the cutoff.. consider that if they dont you'll have fewer folks underneath you.

This works both ways, and I think we're all in it together. I am low time and a new hire this past fall. My company like most had been raising TT to interview each month so that we should all make it, but it is still nerve racking until I get a line and the math works out to show that I can get 1500 in time. Ive got about 400hrs to go and would like to get my 15 with a month to spare, ideally. I'm begging crew sched. every day I go without reserve flying. So far I have been lucky as a reservist, but could still use more.
Well considering having a line can bring a 1st year FO an additional $500+ bucks a month ( yes including per diem), Thats a pretty crappy argument you have because you are screwing someone over. Ill admit I have been a given a couple trips in the past to get my consolidation of knowledge done but that was 50 hrs that was in open time, not 5-6 months worth 400+ hours. If I was senior to you I wouldnt be too happy. I would rather have 1 less person below than someone stealing money from me by getting a metric ton a flying while I sit and make guarantee.
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Old 12-14-2012 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly782
Well considering having a line can bring a 1st year FO an additional $500+ bucks a month ( yes including per diem), Thats a pretty crappy argument you have because you are screwing someone over. Ill admit I have been a given a couple trips in the past to get my consolidation of knowledge done but that was 50 hrs that was in open time, not 5-6 months worth 400+ hours. If I was senior to you I wouldnt be too happy. I would rather have 1 less person below than someone stealing money from me by getting a metric ton a flying while I sit and make guarantee.

If the company is awarding trips outside of seniority, you should get the time off with pay. Consolidation is normally a contractually allowed reason to fly junior reserves ahead of senior folks, but check your contract language...it may be worded such that the company doesn't have the wiggle room to apply it to low-time ATP wannabe's.
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Old 12-14-2012 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If the company is awarding trips outside of seniority, you should get the time off with pay. Consolidation is normally a contractually allowed reason to fly junior reserves ahead of senior folks, but check your contract language...it may be worded such that the company doesn't have the wiggle room to apply it to low-time ATP wannabe's.
Our contract does allow the consolidation awarding. Where I am at we have always had ATP mins, so no low time problem. I was just saying if I was at his regional I would not be happy.
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Old 12-14-2012 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If the company is awarding trips outside of seniority, you should get the time off with pay. Consolidation is normally a contractually allowed reason to fly junior reserves ahead of senior folks, but check your contract language...it may be worded such that the company doesn't have the wiggle room to apply it to low-time ATP wannabe's.
I agree... but our union and our company came out with a letter of understanding regarding the situation, and it basically just stated that they could build lines like IOE/consolidation. The pilot group never had any input, or a vote...
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