PCL TA Reached. all 200's gone
12-19-2012, 02:49 PM
#211
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
Yes they were, but bucking bar is under the impression we are negotiating with Delta Management, but technically Delta was acting as a consultant to PNCLManagement regarding fleet outlook.
My guess is that Pinnacle has promised to somehow link to Section 1, D11 of the Delta PWA (I have no idea the language on something like that). In past practice such a provision has not been held binding on Delta.
If Pinnacle was able to one up the other ALPA represented DCI carriers, then there may be a problem at National. Section 40 allows other MECs to comment on bargaining during the Presidential Review period. Further, I am uncomfortable with one airline's management team cutting deals with another airline's pilots, on principle.
12-19-2012, 03:08 PM
#213
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
Not sure how that would work without a) overstaffing mainline or b) violating the other flow agreements
Originally Posted by ALPA Administrative Manual
pay, and seniority lists shall be negotiated in all agreements.
10. PREFERENTIAL HIRING OF ALPA PILOTS
SOURCE - BOARD 1986; AMENDED - Executive Board October 1989; Board 1992
a. It shall be ALPA's goal to secure contract language in every ALPA agreement which provides for the preferential hiring of ALPA-represented pilots displaced by furlough, bankruptcy, shutdown or strike. In furtherance of this goal, each MEC shall use its best efforts to secure first right of interview for displaced ALPA pilots. Every MEC should act in the manner it deems most effective in achieving this goal.
10. PREFERENTIAL HIRING OF ALPA PILOTS
SOURCE - BOARD 1986; AMENDED - Executive Board October 1989; Board 1992
a. It shall be ALPA's goal to secure contract language in every ALPA agreement which provides for the preferential hiring of ALPA-represented pilots displaced by furlough, bankruptcy, shutdown or strike. In furtherance of this goal, each MEC shall use its best efforts to secure first right of interview for displaced ALPA pilots. Every MEC should act in the manner it deems most effective in achieving this goal.
12-19-2012, 05:43 PM
#214
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
These flow agreements are in opposition to ALPA's own long standing goals in it's Administrative Manual. Based on Section 40, those who have lost their employment should be a higher priority than those who want to flow up to the parent legacy.
If I were a Comair pilot, I would be asking the President of the Association not to sign a contract which violates ALPA's own Admin Manual.
If I were a Comair pilot, I would be asking the President of the Association not to sign a contract which violates ALPA's own Admin Manual.
12-19-2012, 06:57 PM
#216
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In all likelihood the Pinnacle contract binds Pinnacle.
My guess is that Pinnacle has promised to somehow link to Section 1, D11 of the Delta PWA (I have no idea the language on something like that). In past practice such a provision has not been held binding on Delta.
If Pinnacle was able to one up the other ALPA represented DCI carriers, then there may be a problem at National. Section 40 allows other MECs to comment on bargaining during the Presidential Review period. Further, I am uncomfortable with one airline's management team cutting deals with another airline's pilots, on principle.
My guess is that Pinnacle has promised to somehow link to Section 1, D11 of the Delta PWA (I have no idea the language on something like that). In past practice such a provision has not been held binding on Delta.
If Pinnacle was able to one up the other ALPA represented DCI carriers, then there may be a problem at National. Section 40 allows other MECs to comment on bargaining during the Presidential Review period. Further, I am uncomfortable with one airline's management team cutting deals with another airline's pilots, on principle.
12-19-2012, 07:00 PM
#217
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
As we've been told, the deal was between 9E management and Delta management. The deal is then being offered by 9e management to the pilots in a workaround to the DAL-DALPA exclusivity agreement.
12-19-2012, 09:31 PM
#220
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
These flow agreements are in opposition to ALPA's own long standing goals in it's Administrative Manual. Based on Section 40, those who have lost their employment should be a higher priority than those who want to flow up to the parent legacy.
If I were a Comair pilot, I would be asking the President of the Association not to sign a contract which violates ALPA's own Admin Manual.
If I were a Comair pilot, I would be asking the President of the Association not to sign a contract which violates ALPA's own Admin Manual.
"Best effort" to secure first rights to an "interview" is pretty broad. I don't see that standing up in court if contested.
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