PCL TA Reached. all 200's gone
12-20-2012, 04:54 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by xjcrew1
"Best effort" to secure first rights to an "interview" is pretty broad. I don't see that standing up in court if contested.
There is precedent for ALPA's President to not sign a concessionary agreement. This violation of ALPA's Adminitrative Manual is a policy justification. The larger issue is Tom Wychor's attempted end run around the Delta pilots' exclusivity in dealing with Delta management.
Originally Posted by xjcrew1
Did DALPA "secure contract language in... [D]ALPA agreement which provides for the preferential hiring of ALPA-represented pilots displaced by furlough, bankruptcy, shutdown or strike." ? If the language isn't secured then the goal of the admin manual doesn't apply.
(hence, why I do not like another airline cutting deals that modifies our language) ALPA fought a long a bloody war over this issue.
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12-20-2012, 07:24 AM
#224
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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules
Bingo, Dingo. Good summary. We have no idea of what's in the TA. My guesses aren't very optimistic.
Saw the e-mail that says their still hammering out the language on the TA. Looks like you might have a whopping three weeks to read and vote on it. No rush, though.....
12-20-2012, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
Saw the e-mail that says their still hammering out the language on the TA. Looks like you might have a whopping three weeks to read and vote on it. No rush, though.....
Or we could pull a Pelosi and say we have to vote yes on it to see what's inside it!
12-20-2012, 07:49 AM
#226
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Originally Posted by mooney
Or we could pull a Pelosi and say we have to vote yes on it to see what's inside it!
12-20-2012, 07:55 AM
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Biggest ripoff in 2012
1. Sean Menke, former CEO of Pinnacle Airlines
And the winner of all losers is... Sean Menke of the now-bankrupt Pinnacle Airlines! Back in early April I noted that I'd seen some questionable pay raises in my time, but this one may take the cake as the head-scratcher of them all. Despite filing an extension with the Securities and Exchange Commission reporting that Pinnacle's quarterly filing would be late, Menke filed an 8-K indicating that he'd be receiving a 60% boost in pay to $675,000 from $425,000 -- despite the fact that his airline was far from profitable.
Now here's where things really got interesting. Just 11 days after his pay raise was filed with the SEC, Pinnacle filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection -- on April Fool's Day, no less. I couldn't make this stuff up if I wanted to! Furthermore, activist shareholders had made an attempt to get board representation on Pinnacle in prior years, as management had, in their eyes, not looked out for their best interests -- but they were eventually denied by the board.
And the winner of all losers is... Sean Menke of the now-bankrupt Pinnacle Airlines! Back in early April I noted that I'd seen some questionable pay raises in my time, but this one may take the cake as the head-scratcher of them all. Despite filing an extension with the Securities and Exchange Commission reporting that Pinnacle's quarterly filing would be late, Menke filed an 8-K indicating that he'd be receiving a 60% boost in pay to $675,000 from $425,000 -- despite the fact that his airline was far from profitable.
Now here's where things really got interesting. Just 11 days after his pay raise was filed with the SEC, Pinnacle filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection -- on April Fool's Day, no less. I couldn't make this stuff up if I wanted to! Furthermore, activist shareholders had made an attempt to get board representation on Pinnacle in prior years, as management had, in their eyes, not looked out for their best interests -- but they were eventually denied by the board.
12-20-2012, 08:56 PM
#228
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Originally Posted by seafeye
1. Sean Menke, former CEO of Pinnacle Airlines
And the winner of all losers is... Sean Menke of the now-bankrupt Pinnacle Airlines! Back in early April I noted that I'd seen some questionable pay raises in my time, but this one may take the cake as the head-scratcher of them all. Despite filing an extension with the Securities and Exchange Commission reporting that Pinnacle's quarterly filing would be late, Menke filed an 8-K indicating that he'd be receiving a 60% boost in pay to $675,000 from $425,000 -- despite the fact that his airline was far from profitable.
Now here's where things really got interesting. Just 11 days after his pay raise was filed with the SEC, Pinnacle filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection -- on April Fool's Day, no less. I couldn't make this stuff up if I wanted to! Furthermore, activist shareholders had made an attempt to get board representation on Pinnacle in prior years, as management had, in their eyes, not looked out for their best interests -- but they were eventually denied by the board.
And the winner of all losers is... Sean Menke of the now-bankrupt Pinnacle Airlines! Back in early April I noted that I'd seen some questionable pay raises in my time, but this one may take the cake as the head-scratcher of them all. Despite filing an extension with the Securities and Exchange Commission reporting that Pinnacle's quarterly filing would be late, Menke filed an 8-K indicating that he'd be receiving a 60% boost in pay to $675,000 from $425,000 -- despite the fact that his airline was far from profitable.
Now here's where things really got interesting. Just 11 days after his pay raise was filed with the SEC, Pinnacle filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection -- on April Fool's Day, no less. I couldn't make this stuff up if I wanted to! Furthermore, activist shareholders had made an attempt to get board representation on Pinnacle in prior years, as management had, in their eyes, not looked out for their best interests -- but they were eventually denied by the board.
In my humble opinion, a company can only go on like this for so long before it's D - O - N - E, DONE.
It's like a Ford pinto with the crank shaft bent, plugs fried, carb gummed up, gaskets leaking, radiator clogged, belt broken, engine mounts rusted through, valves burned up, tires bald, wheels out of alignment, cv joints not lubed, bearings worn, radio stolen, windows shattered, check engine light on, metal shavings in oil, timing off, throttle cable jammed, alternator not charging, battery low on water, brake lines frayed, power steering pump frozen, pads worn, rotors warped.....
...........AND THE REDNECK DRIVERS ARE STILL BRINGING IT TO THE "RACE WHAT YOU GOT" EVENT EVERY FRIDAY-F'N-NIGHT!!! GIVE IT A F'N REST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE F'N DUMP!!!!
12-21-2012, 05:17 AM
#229
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
In my humble opinion, a company can only go on like this for so long before it's D - O - N - E, DONE.
It's like a Ford pinto with the crank shaft bent, plugs fried, carb gummed up, gaskets leaking, radiator clogged, belt broken, engine mounts rusted through, valves burned up, tires bald, wheels out of alignment, cv joints not lubed, bearings worn, radio stolen, windows shattered, check engine light on, metal shavings in oil, timing off, throttle cable jammed, alternator not charging, battery low on water, brake lines frayed, power steering pump frozen, pads worn, rotors warped.....
...........AND THE REDNECK DRIVERS ARE STILL BRINGING IT TO THE "RACE WHAT YOU GOT" EVENT EVERY FRIDAY-F'N-NIGHT!!! GIVE IT A F'N REST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE F'N DUMP!!!!
It's like a Ford pinto with the crank shaft bent, plugs fried, carb gummed up, gaskets leaking, radiator clogged, belt broken, engine mounts rusted through, valves burned up, tires bald, wheels out of alignment, cv joints not lubed, bearings worn, radio stolen, windows shattered, check engine light on, metal shavings in oil, timing off, throttle cable jammed, alternator not charging, battery low on water, brake lines frayed, power steering pump frozen, pads worn, rotors warped.....
...........AND THE REDNECK DRIVERS ARE STILL BRINGING IT TO THE "RACE WHAT YOU GOT" EVENT EVERY FRIDAY-F'N-NIGHT!!! GIVE IT A F'N REST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!! TAKE IT TO THE F'N DUMP!!!!
12-21-2012, 05:21 AM
#230
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
In my humble opinion, a company can only go on like this for so long before it's D - O - N - E, DONE.
It's like a Ford pinto with the crank shaft bent, plugs fried, carb gummed up, gaskets leaking, radiator clogged, belt broken, engine mounts rusted through, valves burned up, tires bald, wheels out of alignment, cv joints not lubed, bearings worn, radio stolen, windows shattered, check engine light on, metal shavings in oil, timing off, throttle cable jammed, alternator not charging, battery low on water, brake lines frayed, power steering pump frozen, pads worn, rotors warped.....
It's like a Ford pinto with the crank shaft bent, plugs fried, carb gummed up, gaskets leaking, radiator clogged, belt broken, engine mounts rusted through, valves burned up, tires bald, wheels out of alignment, cv joints not lubed, bearings worn, radio stolen, windows shattered, check engine light on, metal shavings in oil, timing off, throttle cable jammed, alternator not charging, battery low on water, brake lines frayed, power steering pump frozen, pads worn, rotors warped.....
Instead it is more like the facade on a movie set. Behind the veneer of a flight operations department stands a billion dollar global marketing and production machine. When management gets tired of one scene, they just move the set pieces.
The answer is a single seniority list within a brand. Absent that solution, the next best would be agreements which would allow subcontractors to scope their flying.
Mainline pilots are grappling with these issues as they find themselves in international conglomerates where they are effectively subcontractors. Of course, they negotiate production balance language, but have thus far been ineffective in enforcement.
If ALPA is going to change the rules to allow Pinnacle to negotiate Section 1 with Delta, then why not use that new power to scope flying away from a non union carrier? After all ALPA has no responsibility to SkyWest, or Republic. If ALPA would use it's power in that way, the union would be much more relevant than it is today.
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