Can't people have an opinion on it? I was never at Delta or United, and I didn't know where they are coming from, what internal struggles they have. But it seems to me that their TAs are pretty good, and for the industry it's a step in the right direction.

I would not tell you how to vote, that is each and everyone's own personal decision. I have friends there, and there are a lot of good people who have a tough decision to make. I've said it before, I wish the best for the people there. I'm still hoping this industry turns around for the better, especially with the Age 65 rule finally forcing retirements.

 

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Just wanted to make sure this got quoted again. I can't vote on your TA, but I can do my best to prevent you from selling us out too.

 

Who's thining for them? I'm posting my opinion on an open internet forum. If you don't like it, there's a neat feature called "ignore." You won't hurt my feelings.

When I was there, I had a line in the sand that I had drawn that if the company asked us to go below that in bankruptcy, I was out. There are other jobs outside of aviation. I'd even be able to sleep in my own bed every night and not have to chew my nails wondering if I would get to/from work on time because there weer 4 Delta pilots ahead of me and a couple of rampers' parents. This simply goes way below that line. I could get a job outside of aviation locally, make the same amount of money I would be making (or more in some cases) as a 9E FO commuting. Aviation's a great biz, but it's not the ONLY business. Dumb friends are the ones with no plan B.....

 

The problem is that this TA matters and effects a lot more pilots then just those at 9e. If this TA passes it has the potential to negatively effect most pilot groups throughout the industry. If passed, it will put significant downward pressure on the rest of us in negotiations or soon to be. Therefore how you guys vote on this TA can directly effect how I am compensated, and feed my family. Just because many of us do not work at 9e doesn't mean we are not directly influenced by it, and therefore watching this vote closely.

 

Okay, I just ran the math again based on my "line in the sand" for me personally I did last year when this whole debacle started. Realistically, I'd be downgraded back to a topped out FO next year, so I'd be at $38/hr. Based on guarantee of 75 hours a month, that's $2850 month. Minus the crashpad I'd be paying for the commute based in JFK it's $2600/mo.

So, I looked at what a reasonable fall back locally would be. What would I have to make at a local job to make that? It boils down to a $12/hr job with 10 hours of OT. In the market here with the theme parks, that's do-able. That comes out to $2640 a month. Plus, I don't have to deal with overnights and I'd get more time with my wife and kid. Take out the overtime, and it's $1920/mo.

I wouldn't be one of the lucky few furloughed in 2013, so I'd be stuck with the 1 month buy out, so there's an extra $2600 to spread over a couple of years, I guess. In one year, that's $217/mo, depending on how they tax it. If it's considered a bonus, so goodbye to a huge chunk of it based on what happened with our signing bonus checks from the last TA. Basically, what they're asking is far below what my idea of a professional pilot should be compensated. YMMV.

 

If the TA is voted down they will most likely go back to court and impose a new 1113 that the bankruptcy judge has already indicated would be approved.

 

Beyond the crap TA I'm also very concerned whether or not we can or will be pursuing new flying opportunities in the future. I'd like to hear a little more from management on their future plans.

 

Yes, I know, it effect other regionals. I was just saying that it has nothing to do with Shyguy or how effect his airline. It's always the same thing, over and over again. "I saw the BK coming, blah blah blah, I got out, you should too" Most of his comment doesn't nothing but **** the Pinnacle pilots off. That's why I asked if he has ever voiced his opinion about the Delta or United TA. It doesn't effect him in anyways.

 

I can see this happening. I can't see Delta shutting us down just because we vote no, when they can go back to the judge and get the new TA impose.

 

Didn't the company state that they would not be seeking another 1113? I suppose anything can change though...