Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
PNCL FURLOUGH'S: survival, food stamps, etc >

PNCL FURLOUGH'S: survival, food stamps, etc

Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

PNCL FURLOUGH'S: survival, food stamps, etc

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:30 PM
  #121  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
Default

If you need to MAN UP or SHOW SOME PRIDE or any other catch phrase the author usually doesn't have a logical argument to follow. They are appealing to the emotional part of you. This decision should be one based on careful evaluation of the facts with a reasonable guesstimate of your future situation based on future and past indicators. I cant stress enough that voting yes doesn't mean 1500 pilots will be furloughed. That would mean 0 attrition and no change in the rest rules.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:32 PM
  #122  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 273
Likes: 0
Default

80 knots you don't have a dog in this fight so please mind your manners and leave.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:33 PM
  #123  
:-)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Will
80 knots you don't have a dog in this fight so please mind your manners and leave.
Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:37 PM
  #124  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,792
Likes: 0
From: Doing what you do, for less.
Default

Originally Posted by Mesabah
Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.
LOL wouldnt that be funny
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:40 PM
  #125  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
Default

This new contract will most definitely be used as the new ruler to measure the competitions cost structure. This is where Delta will take things and they can because any Regional that fights against it will see their flying not renewed.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:45 PM
  #126  
80ktsClamp's Avatar
Da Hudge
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
Likes: 0
From: Poodle Whisperer
Default

Originally Posted by Mesabah
Why would we be wound down at those rates, this TA solves the longevity problem and undercuts every other regional. If anything we will be used as whipsaw bait.
You'll be wholly owned at the end of this, right?

I can't see how anyone is even beginning to think about voting yes for this.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:47 PM
  #127  
80ktsClamp's Avatar
Da Hudge
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
Likes: 0
From: Poodle Whisperer
Default

Originally Posted by Mesabah
Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.
Oh man... that would not be pretty with some of the real crazies that I flew with show up in the interviews.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:49 PM
  #128  
TeddyKGB's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,673
Likes: 0
From: 7er
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy
FO and CA proposed wages top out at rates worse than GoJets. And the flow favors only a select group of qualified pilots. Any 9E FO will not be flowing for a loooooong time. How do you consider upgrading to Captain as required per the flow when the fleet is dwindling down to 81 planes?

The Delta interview flow, for all practical purposes, is absolutely useless to any current 9E FO who has never held a captain seat.
I bet those junior FO's make it to Delta before you ever do.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:56 PM
  #129  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
Default

I can't think of one advantage to vote NO. People keep talking about he emotional reasons to vote NO I am still waiting for a compelling reason. Even if you are the last guy on the seniority list YES with money in your pocket on the way out the door seems better than not getting that money especially since your pay rates are changing much anyway.
Reply
Old 12-21-2012 | 04:58 PM
  #130  
:-)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You'll be wholly owned at the end of this, right?

I can't see how anyone is even beginning to think about voting yes for this.
Unfortunately, there are already regionals working under a TA like this, we are being asked to meet them. I don't see anyway around that, we are contract labor, you either meet what others are offering or go out of business. Money we are not making, is money mainline is making.

The only way to fix this is to have mainline pilots take back scope, that is the only way to have pricing power.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
lakehouse
Hangar Talk
11
03-04-2010 01:40 PM
vagabond
Hangar Talk
1
01-11-2008 07:14 PM
cessnapilot
Major
1
06-08-2007 11:20 AM
vagabond
Hangar Talk
5
05-23-2007 01:11 PM
jdr7225
Regional
25
04-19-2007 08:32 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices