PNCL FURLOUGH'S: survival, food stamps, etc
12-21-2012 | 02:19 PM
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FO upgrade opportunities? After 81 airplanes? That's 850 pilots tops. 2,400 right now. Where will those 1,400 pilots get their upgrade chance on 81 airplanes? A Pinnacle FO right now will not be upgrading anytime soon even with this interview flow.
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
12-21-2012 | 02:20 PM
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FO upgrade opportunities? After 81 airplanes? That's 850 pilots tops. 2,400 right now. Where will those 1,400 pilots get their upgrade chance on 81 airplanes? A Pinnacle FO right now will not be upgrading anytime soon even with this interview flow.
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
12-21-2012 | 02:22 PM
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And,
Note the fleet guarantee of 81 airplanes only goes for duration of contract + 6 months.
So 7 years and 6 months from now, those 81 planes could be given out to the next cheaper carrier. Do you think any FO now who is not a Captain can risk this 7.5 year wait to see what happens?
12-21-2012 | 02:24 PM
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It is very likely that many of you will have to live with the concessions to which you agree at your next airline.
Think about that when you vote.
12-21-2012 | 02:26 PM
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FO upgrade opportunities? After 81 airplanes? That's 850 pilots tops. 2,400 right now. Where will those 1,400 pilots get their upgrade chance on 81 airplanes? A Pinnacle FO right now will not be upgrading anytime soon even with this interview flow.
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
Most of you will be out of a job no matter what. In the end, you have to ask yourself, how many will actually ever come up for that "guaranteed interview".
12-21-2012 | 02:27 PM
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It's important for Pinnacle pilots to remember that management at the regional airlines who will be hiring en masse over the next few years will be using your concessionary "peer group" rates in pilot CBA negotiations and they will do everything they can to match whatever rates and work rules you guys agree to in order to be "competitive."
It is very likely that many of you will have to live with the concessions to which you agree at your next airline.
Think about that when you vote.
It is very likely that many of you will have to live with the concessions to which you agree at your next airline.
Think about that when you vote.
and no, that doesn't mean I'm voting one way or another until I read the whole thing.
12-21-2012 | 02:29 PM
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I have no skin in this game and you guys have to do what it best for yourselves. But just get all the facts and run all the scenarios. The one above is perhaps the closest to reality you will see.
Most of you will be out of a job no matter what. In the end, you have to ask yourself, how many will actually ever come up for that "guaranteed interview".
Most of you will be out of a job no matter what. In the end, you have to ask yourself, how many will actually ever come up for that "guaranteed interview".
12-21-2012 | 02:32 PM
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FO upgrade opportunities? After 81 airplanes? That's 850 pilots tops. 2,400 right now. Where will those 1,400 pilots get their upgrade chance on 81 airplanes? A Pinnacle FO right now will not be upgrading anytime soon even with this interview flow.
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
In fact, a Pinnacle FO would be better off saying screw this TA, leave Pinnacle, join another airline, and get to Delta at least 3 times sooner.
This Delta interview carrot is worthless for any Pinnacle FO. If you can't see that...
1.) Keep your job until Fall.
2.) Get a 2k-6k bonus.
3.) Get your vax paid out.
4.) Get your sick time paid out.
5.) Get Delta travel benefits for 2 years.
6.) Get your ATP and Type paid for by Pinnacle.
7.) Get 3 months of pay after furlough
8.) Health care for 3 months.
So you get what above or keep your current job for less than a year, let the company shut down, have no benefits at all and be on the street with 2000 other guys that are a lot more qualified than you, fighting for a job.
Do the math.
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