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12-21-2012 | 01:55 PM

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johnso29

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

I'm guessing Delta management doesn't need it to pass. What do they have to lose by putting it out there?

12-21-2012 | 01:58 PM

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So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

Captains as of now or what a pilot can hold with the upcoming many displacements?

12-21-2012 | 02:05 PM

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Captains as of now or what a pilot can hold with the upcoming many displacements?

All pilots on the list are eligible, but you have to hold a CA position when your time comes to flow. So it's not just CA's now, and the vocal NO no matter what voters are trying to spin it.

12-21-2012 | 02:07 PM

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FO and CA proposed wages top out at rates worse than GoJets. And the flow favors only a select group of qualified pilots. Any 9E FO will not be flowing for a loooooong time. How do you consider upgrading to Captain as required per the flow when the fleet is dwindling down to 81 planes?

The Delta interview flow, for all practical purposes, is absolutely useless to any current 9E FO who has never held a captain seat.

12-21-2012 | 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

What flow??? Oh you mean the flow to the INTERVIEW....what a joke

12-21-2012 | 02:09 PM

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So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

uhhh because FO's will upgrade as captains flow/leave and become eligible? I think Delta wants a little PIC time and training events under the belt. Plus it's not a true flow.

12-21-2012 | 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

Haven't seen the language but what's interesting is if you have to hold CA or be currently holding left seat, that also would put more than just the FOs out. Many current CAs will eventually be downgraded to FO so wouldn't that mean they are out of luck as well?
You need to look at this very carefully especially given the fact that there is no major hiring going on right now. DL seems to be shrinking, if anything.

12-21-2012 | 02:10 PM

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Hey Shy, how much you want to bet VA folds before 9E?

12-21-2012 | 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

Its not a straight flow. You don't NEED to be a Captain the wording is 'HAD' been a CA.

It's an interview slot based on seniority (8 a month) then Delta can choose 4 a month out of seniority, for a total of 12. Anyone who is currently a Captain qualifies.

This will cause good movement on the CA side of the list, creating the opportunities for FO to upgrade.