stop using logic man, vote with fear and emotion!

 

Fixed it for you.

 

My money is on 9E folding.

I've flown VA and happen to think they're product is quite good. I hope they succeed.

 

In theory yes, but again, use Comair as an example. In order to keep 9E planes flying until they can shut down there would probably be a similar deal offered just to keep the planes flying through summer. Or this could all be a bluff by Delta. They obviously want 9E to stick around or they wouldn't have even bothered to send negotiators.

 

Flows have been limited. Eagle, ExpressJet, Mesaba, and Compass. I can't think of any other true, pure flows. But in those flow situations, at the time it was signed, the regional itself was growing tremendously. Lots of RJs coming back in those times. Back then, it was reasonable to expect a Captain requirement to flow up.

Now, 81 planes. All FOs have to upgrade on 81 planes. 850 total needed out of 2,400. Even once those 1,300 FOs upgrade, they then have a training freeze and do not qualify for the Delta program until they are off the freeze.

Realisitically, assuming all this pans out and 81 planes stay and Delta does the interview flow as planned, no FO will see Delta until 2020 at the earliest. Just do the math. Training upgrade freeze is 12 mos minimum, so take a year on top of the first time a FO touches the left seat.

Any FO at 9E would be better off going to another airline (LCC, regional) and getting a few years there and then applying to Delta.

 

yeah cause Pride is gonna earn you an extra 20k next year. Oh wait I know.....when a Pinnacle guy is a junior guy at his next airline, I'm sure the others at his new airline will allow him to upgrade out of order for holding the line in the name of pride. Pride don't mean crap in this industry, it's all me me me.

 

This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the "we'll vote for it to give us time to get out of here" mentality. What you agree to will affect what you "escape" to...

...without the longevity.

It's not about others....it's about you.

Voting "no" to these rates would not make things worse....it would show other morally bankrupt regional airline managements and DELTA, US AIRWAYS, AMERICAN, and UNITED that regional airline pilots are sick of being the new permanent "B scale" employees. It has the potential to change the way they do business and make this a better career for all.

....and that includes you.

 

Until a FO goes to another regional, only to hear them say they have to match the new Pinnacle wages or risk losing aircraft, which will be the next Delta threat in the DCI war games.

 

You're absolutely right. As long as you know that you are just a DL puppet and the repercussions will follow you throughout your career. Short term, are you better off, yup. (I'm assuming you're senior.) And I suppose that's all that matters right now.
When you're looking for another job in a few years and see the pay and benes at the next regional you're looking at (before your number has come up for a guaranteed interview or you didn't get hired) then you might have a different reaction.

 

Only the guys furloughed in 2013, and that's 150.

In 2014 and beyond it's 1 month of pay after furlough.




Enhanced Furlough Pay. Benefit Eligible Pilots with a 2013 furlough start date will receive three (3) months of minimum guarantee at the rate that was applicable to the Benefit Eligible Pilot during the month prior to the pilot’s effective date of furlough. Benefit Eligible Pilots with a 2014 or later furlough start date will receive one (1) month of minimum guarantee at the rate that was applicable to the Benefit Eligible Pilot during the month prior to the pilot's effective date of furlough. The payment shall be made at the time and subject to the conditions described in Section 3.c.viii.