The Delta Pilot Working Agreement honors the following language in ALPA's Administrative Manual.The Pinnacle Bridge Agreement would reorder section 1 D 12, giving senior employed Captains first choice over guys on the street and dilute other ALPA members' rights to 1 D 11.

Arguably, Pinnacle's junior pilots have a better opportunity without the Bridge Agreement.

 

Small jet flying in the Delta contract is "Permitted." The word "permitted" means:

1. To allow the doing of (something); consent to:
2. To grant consent or leave to (someone); authorize: permitted him to explain.
3. To afford opportunity or possibility for: weather that permits sailing.
v.intr.
To afford opportunity; allow: if circumstances permit.
n. (pûrmt, pr-mt)
1. Permission, especially in written form.
2. A document or certificate giving permission to do something; a license or warrant:

Permitted does not mean relinquishing all rights to, giving away, or allowing someone else to trade. If I permit you to sublease my home, that does not mean that you can sell it, or claim it is yours by an act of adverse posession.

Should one MEC be able to unilaterally change another pilot group's contract?

Not that any sypathetic readers are expected on this side of APC, but if we let one pilot group walk in and start negotiating with another pilot group's management we are going to have a complete mess of contradictory contracts. Worse, when we get to our amenable date it will be an open auction if we let management decide who they are going to make a deal with first.

 

You make a strong case for why any current 9e FO is probably better off long-term if they were to just hit the street and find other work while applying to majors. But then there is that whole 1000tpic thing, and most of the people that will end up furloughed (sooner or later) as a result of this deal have zero. Currency is going to be the one thing that really causes most people to vote 'yes' here, as the majority will not feel that they are marketable at the major level without pic time or at the regional level without currency.

One paradox of being a regional FO is that although its the least desirable job in our industry; it is generally occupied by people who are the least financially able to give it up.

 

I'm still not seeing where you think your PWA has been changed by this deal with PCL. It seems that Paragraphs 11 and 12 gives preferential interview rights (and a ratio) to a group of pilots, but they don't preclude preferential interview rights outside of the requirements in these paragraphs. Furthermore, the language is incredibly weak to start with, since it's all "subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots."

I think you're really stretching on this one.

 

That is the WEAKEST language of any agreement I've EVER read!

"subject to" can null and void the entire deal.

It's not a flow through, it's a sales pitch lie.

 

The 1000pic isn't going to matter. Senior FOs have been hired without the magical 1000?

 

Its going to be hard for any FO on property now to use the bridge program. According to the agreement you have to be a CA to be eligible. There only going to be around 450 CA positions at the most. There are at least 200-300 lifers on property now that won't move. The leaves at most 250 CA positions that FOs could possibly fill in the future. Not everyone is going to pass the Delta interview or other major interviews they try for so that number of open CA positions will go down making harder and harder to upgrade. You have to be a CA to even get a shot at the bridge program.

Oh yeah and a 7 year term on that crappy TA is rediculous.

 

Come on. Seriously? The only people who can say that either 1)know people or 2) can improve "workforce diversity"..

It isn't going to matter in 2025? Sure, i'll agree. It isn't going to matter getting hired at GoJet? Doesn't matter at Spirit? Ya probably not.

It is however absolutely going to matter with respect to getting hired at a true major until there are no longer people with that qualification.

 

Agreed......

 

i flew with an fo who had been in the game 20+ years and has achieved 960tpic at commuteair, then left to goto dhl as his career ending place....only to be furloughed about 20 years down the line and couldnt even apply at most the majors cause he was 40 hrs short, plus 20ish years of FE and FO experience on heavies....it def pays to get that time however you can...although it sure would be tough if fedex came knocking not to take that jump, even I would i think....but a lesson to have in your head.

as for this flow or interviews, as said above there are so many above, and the furloughs will be not current and out so long, that imo it would b quicker to quit, jump the line so to say, (because isnt going to hire all their feed pilots just like UAL already said), plus it still seems in the shade wether its an interview or a def job.