The DAL PWA language Pinnacle wants to change
12-25-2012 | 11:30 AM
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I don't think Delta has a 1,000 TPIC requirement do they.
Good friend of mine was hired with less, but he had an outstanding background as an Instructor at Delta, then several thousand hours of SIC on jets. His problems was Delta kept recalling him into ground management jobs every time he would be ready for upgrade, so he gave up his seniority, twice, to return to management positions.
Good friend of mine was hired with less, but he had an outstanding background as an Instructor at Delta, then several thousand hours of SIC on jets. His problems was Delta kept recalling him into ground management jobs every time he would be ready for upgrade, so he gave up his seniority, twice, to return to management positions.
12-25-2012 | 07:26 PM
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I don't think Delta has a 1,000 TPIC requirement do they.
Good friend of mine was hired with less, but he had an outstanding background as an Instructor at Delta, then several thousand hours of SIC on jets. His problems was Delta kept recalling him into ground management jobs every time he would be ready for upgrade, so he gave up his seniority, twice, to return to management positions.
Good friend of mine was hired with less, but he had an outstanding background as an Instructor at Delta, then several thousand hours of SIC on jets. His problems was Delta kept recalling him into ground management jobs every time he would be ready for upgrade, so he gave up his seniority, twice, to return to management positions.
As it relates to the whole pncl discussion, this quasi-requirement results in pilots who are going to feel that they are not marketable without that number, and without currency they also wont be as marketable at the regional level. I think those kinda considerations affect the way people vote.
12-26-2012 | 06:33 AM
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12-26-2012 | 06:46 AM
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The flows will eat up most of the classroom seats for the 1st couple years of hiring. On top of that you a few airlines with guaranteed interviews. If you don't have flow rights or a guaranteed interview it's going to be extremely competitive getting any of the left over spots.
12-26-2012 | 09:04 AM
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You make a strong case for why any current 9e FO is probably better off long-term if they were to just hit the street and find other work while applying to majors. But then there is that whole 1000tpic thing, and most of the people that will end up furloughed (sooner or later) as a result of this deal have zero. Currency is going to be the one thing that really causes most people to vote 'yes' here, as the majority will not feel that they are marketable at the major level without pic time or at the regional level without currency.
One paradox of being a regional FO is that although its the least desirable job in our industry; it is generally occupied by people who are the least financially able to give it up.
One paradox of being a regional FO is that although its the least desirable job in our industry; it is generally occupied by people who are the least financially able to give it up.
12-26-2012 | 08:41 PM
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That is crystal clear to me and I hope everyone at 9e as well. The only reason I brought it up is because I don't see the people without it going straight to mainline when they are furloughed and jumping in front of the people who have thousands of hours tpic. It seems like a small point, but the reality is that it drives the whole regional pilot game, it is the only reason why GoJet is able to find anyone to fill a seat. The 9e voters who do not have tpic will vote to stay employed as long as possible, because they need to stay current to be competitive at the regional level. Lateral moves suck, but that is the reality that these people are dealing with.
12-27-2012 | 06:26 AM
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If an Fo at 9E thinks he has a better chance at DAL outside the bridge (admitted it is slim inside) he/she can apply through normal channels. And if "Chuck Yeager" (road show description) get hired thorugh the normal route. If he/she believe it will be a CA deadend then leave now before the rush and try it somewhere else. All a No vote does for them is put them into the job hunt with EVERYONE. If the a/c go to other carriers and the CA's bail who will get the street CA jobs? An FO with 1501 hours and a new ATP or a 7,000 hour CA with 1,000 TPIC? It is best for the FO's to keep CA's stuck at PNCL to keep them out of the job hunt. Vote yes, take your $$, get a job then bail (in that order) and don't look back.
12-27-2012 | 08:18 AM
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That bonus will be taxed heavily, also hiring won't really happen at the next level for another few years. Vote yes, and Delta has the opportunity to whipsaw other DCI carriers because of your Yes vote. Which in turn would also hit your pocket book at the next carrier you move onto due to having to match what you voted Yes to at 9E. Voting yes then bailing will have lasting ramifications on this industry as a whole. It's no coincidence most 9e'ers advocating a "Yes" vote are senior captains @ 9E.
I'm not telling you how to vote, but have an opened mind because both have variables that will impact you for years to come.
I'm not telling you how to vote, but have an opened mind because both have variables that will impact you for years to come.
12-27-2012 | 08:54 AM
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That bonus will be taxed heavily, also hiring won't really happen at the next level for another few years. Vote yes, and Delta has the opportunity to whipsaw other DCI carriers because of your Yes vote. Which in turn would also hit your pocket book at the next carrier you move onto due to having to match what you voted Yes to at 9E. Voting yes then bailing will have lasting ramifications on this industry as a whole. It's no coincidence most 9e'ers advocating a "Yes" vote are senior captains @ 9E.
I'm not telling you how to vote, but have an opened mind because both have variables that will impact you for years to come.
I'm not telling you how to vote, but have an opened mind because both have variables that will impact you for years to come.
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