Yes, but the other side of the argument is that it's widely known how many drinks affects ability to drive and BAC. That's math, and though it might not be exactly the same for every person, being in denial about that doesn't get much sympathy from me. http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media...AndDriving.pdf

You may not "think" you are under the influence, but the information is out there and it's not like it's hidden. Nearly every state now makes you go through some sort of drunk driving awareness during the renewal/knowledge test. You can decide not to believe it, but that would be a conscious decision IMO and brings into question their ability to make decisions about anything.

It's a disease, sure, but so is schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, heart disease, and a myriad of others that also include denial as a symptom/effect. We don't hate these people because they have a disease, but we realize the inherent risks and effects on character, physiological state and mental capacity/processing.

I feel ya...however, I respectfully disagree. Given what he had to go through not only to get his flying status re-instated, but family, friends, and being accepted back into the tribe of his Native-American heritage took alot of reconciliation on his and others part.

I'll check that one out, too.

About 2 yrs ago, I was having issues with getting correct information in terms of the process that I need to follow in order for the HIMS AME in the Miami area to take a look and see if they were able to help me. For reason(s) unknown, there was a breakdown in communication. I remember I Googled HIMS and got a list of airline HIMS Coordinators. I called the HIMS Coordinator for AE. Their initials are DA. I don't think that they are there any longer. Anyway, this person returned my call and said to expect a call from the HIMS AME in Miami. Sure enough, 20 minutes later I got the call from Miami. This person @ AE didn't even know me from adam and they went out on a limb for me. When I do get my first regional or Part 135 job, they'll be one of the first to know.

That's how the first 100 did it. Well, worship service combined with reading, studying, and the application of Holy Scripture and Scriptual principles to one's lifestyle. The famous portrait of Dr. Bob & Bill W. talking to AA#3 (Bill Dotson...the guy sitting on the bed), was painted in 1937. The 1st ed of the Big Book came out in 1939. Guess what book they were reading from in the portrait? You guessed right!;)

Btw, that's "how it works" for me!!!!!:)



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Yes I know, I was being a smartass.

I know personally the authors of Grounded and Flying Drunk. One does not seek the spotlight, one self promotes because no one else will.

This subject piqued my interest so I referenced Amazon.com "Flying Drunk" by Joe Balzer. In the reviews section, one of the "one stars" came from Lyle Prouse, the CA of the NWA flight they document. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess these two don't like each other.

Maybe I took the post a little too seriously- I actually did get the humor.

But it is interesting that the C.G. was run under the Department of the Tresury or Department of Transportation until 2002.

Lyle and Joe tell two different stories and accept different levels of responsibility for the event.

Lyle had it rough, he prides himself on not making a plea deal, paying his debt to society and acknowledges the grace that put him back into the cockpit. Lyle was also rather proud of the time he spent in the Chief Pilot's office prior to the famous flight.

Joe seems to have had it much harder with the legal system and describes Lyle as a difficult, "old style" Captain. From what I have read, Joe seems to be much more at peace and living a "sober" lifestyle than Lyle.

Just my opinion. If it isn't obvious, I'm also in the program (through an intervention).

I need to read Joe's book. Lyle Prouse also wrote a book, titled "Final Approach". It's a great story about redemption. When you finish, you want to meet his wife and shake her hand. She sounds like an amazing woman. In this book, Lyle doesn't blame anyone but himself, ever. And I don't know how you can have it much more difficult with the legal system than he did. He did his time in a hard core federal pen.

Multiple studies indicate that fatigued individuals perform on a level with one who's under the influence of alcohol.

I'm waiting for some TSA goober to try to have pilots arrested because they look too tired.

TSA powers....
 

You might just be on to something here......This would tie in nicely with the new rest/fatigue rules around the corner....by the way, whats the latest there? havent heard much about the new rest requirements for a while....