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buddies8 01-05-2013 12:07 PM

entrapment, illegal.

MoarAlpha 01-05-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1324290)
entrapment, illegal.

So let me get this straight...

You think because they let him get on the plane before arresting him that is entrapment?

You sound like the same kind of person that would sue Starbucks for burning you with the coffee you just ordered extra hot.

eaglefly 01-05-2013 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 1324381)
So let me get this straight...

You think because they let him get on the plane before arresting him that is entrapment?

You sound like the same kind of person that would sue Starbucks for burning you with the coffee you just ordered extra hot.

I understand it was the TSA that made their "observation" of his possible condition and they followed him to his work station. It was the police that made the arrest and conducted the tests. I fail to see how an airline pilot can be "entrapped" by willfully showing up for work and proceeding to his aircraft.

iceman49 01-05-2013 03:41 PM

Entrapment is a defense to criminal charges when it is established that the agent or official originated the idea of the crime and induced the accused to engage in it. If the crime was promoted by a private person who has no connection to the government, it is not entrapment. A person induced by a friend to sell drugs has no legal excuse when police are informed that the person has agreed to make the sale.

The rationale underlying the defense is to deter law enforcement officers from engaging in reprehensible conduct by inducing persons not disposed to commit crimes to engage in criminal activity. In their efforts to obtain evidence and combat crime, however, officers are permitted to use some deception. For example, an officer may pretend to be a drug addict in order to apprehend a person suspected of selling drugs. On the other hand, an officer cannot use chicanery or Fraud to lure a person to commit a crime the person is not previously willing to commit. Generally, the defense is not available if the officer merely created an opportunity for the commission of the crime by a person already planning or willing to commit it.

The defense of entrapment frequently arises when crimes are committed against willing victims. It is likely to be asserted to counter such charges as illegal sales of liquor or narcotics, Bribery, Sex Offenses, and gambling. Persons who commit these types of crimes are most easily apprehended when officers disguise themselves as willing victims.

Most states require a defendant who raises the defense of entrapment to prove he or she did not have a previous intent to commit the crime. Courts determine whether a defendant had a predisposition to commit a crime by examining the person's behavior prior to the commission of the crime and by inquiring into the person's past criminal record if one exists. Usually, a predisposition is found if a defendant was previously involved in criminal conduct similar to the crime with which he or she is charged.

When an officer supplies an accused with a tool or a means necessary to commit the crime, the defense is not automatically established. Although this factor may be considered as evidence of entrapment, it is not conclusive. The more important determination is whether the official planted the criminal idea in the mind of the accused or whether the idea was already there.

Entrapment is not a constitutionally required defense, and, consequently, not all states are bound to provide it as a defense in their criminal codes. Some states have excluded it as a defense, reasoning that anyone who can be talked into a criminal act cannot be free from guilt.

SpeedyVagabond 01-05-2013 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1324385)
I understand it was the TSA that made their "observation" of his possible condition and they followed him to his work station. It was the police that made the arrest and conducted the tests. I fail to see how an airline pilot can be "entrapped" by willfully showing up for work and proceeding to his aircraft.

Well said. It's disgusting what's become of resposibility in this country. The guy showed up to work under the influence. No outside circumstances or any other persons are responsible for where he finds himself today. He did it all himself. If he has a drinking problem hopefully he'll learn from this infortunate forced intervention and go on to be a better person.

atpwannabe 01-05-2013 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 1324421)
......He did it all himself. If he has a drinking problem hopefully he'll learn from this infortunate forced intervention and go on to be a better person.


That cell phone that weighs only a couple ounces is gonna seem like it weighs a ton or two when he calls and has to talk to someone in Washington DC @ the Office of Aerospace Medicine.



atp

buddies8 01-05-2013 04:52 PM

i will and all should wait for all the facts be known. as of now we know a maybe. i would not condem anyone as some here have without first hand knowledge of all facts. not like the tsa has never been wrong or that the police being over conservative when in public view.

JamesNoBrakes 01-05-2013 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1324385)
I understand it was the TSA that made their "observation" of his possible condition and they followed him to his work station. It was the police that made the arrest and conducted the tests. I fail to see how an airline pilot can be "entrapped" by willfully showing up for work and proceeding to his aircraft.

The TSA worker moonlights at night as a bartender :)

rickair7777 01-05-2013 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by atpwannabe (Post 1324426)
That cell phone that weighs only a couple ounces is gonna seem like it weighs a ton or two when he calls and has to talk to someone in Washington DC @ the Office of Aerospace Medicine.



atp


That's the least of his worries. He may as well put all his certs and medical in an envelope and mail them to OKC.

teddyballgame 01-06-2013 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by atpwannabe (Post 1324426)
That cell phone that weighs only a couple ounces is gonna seem like it weighs a ton or two when he calls and has to talk to someone in Washington DC @ the Office of Aerospace Medicine.



atp


Actually, the most dreaded call one has to make in that situation is the one to the wife.

"You did what!?"


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