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Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330823)
Dude, you are so paranoid. How is your vote based on your apparent and obvious fear any good for anyone. You're a grown man. Are you afraid of actually working for a living or just ashamed that you won't be able to tell people you're a pilot anymore? That's if a liquidation were to occur, which I don't think would have. And chances are you're going to lose your job anyway. No one can prove otherwise.

Im sorry if the idea of not being able to support myself makes me a ***** and also brings you and everyone else down, especially since you and everyone else are there to lift me up. I voted to keep my job, because Im afraid to "work for a living"? So flying isnt working for a living? If it isnt work, what harm did I do to you by "lowering the bar"?

I happen to like flying airplanes for a living, yes. I bet there arent too many people like me who are pilots.

You just said yourself, you dont think liquidation would occur and then in the very next breath you tell me Im probably going to lose my job anyway? Is that just wishful thinking? Delta has known cheap labor for 7 years now, but they're going to shut it down in a year or two? And dont tell me about Comair because the circumstances are not exactly the same.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1330825)
N2Core what has lead you to believe a liquidation would of not occurred?

He hasnt led me to believe ----!!!!

N2Core 01-15-2013 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1330825)
N2Core what has lead you to believe a liquidation would of not occurred?

It might have occurred, just not in the time frame that they would have you believe. It would've taken at least a couple of years. No other carrier could have trained pilots and staffed an operation to the extent that pinnacle would've been widdled down in. It's numerically impossible. What makes you think that a liquidation won't occur regardless of the TA?

N2Core 01-15-2013 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330829)
You just said yourself, you dont think liquidation would occur and then in the very next breath you tell me Im probably going to lose my job anyway? Is that just wishful thinking?

Because if you are an FO, your chances of getting furloughed are greater than your chances of not being furloughed.

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330834)
It might have occurred, just not in the time frame that they would have you believe. It would've taken at least a couple of years. No other carrier could have trained pilots and staffed an operation to the extent that pinnacle would've been widdled down in. It's numerically impossible. What makes you think that a liquidation won't occur regardless of the TA?

Delta doesnt want 140 CRJ-200s, thats why they're getting rid of them!!! So those dont need to be replaced. That leaves us with only 41 CRJ-900s. The Q's were transferred to RAH in a matter of months. The same could be done with 41 900's easily. See my post above aboout why liquidation is unlikely. Tell you what...if your crystal ball is better than mine than you "win"...okay?

Tinpusher007 01-15-2013 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330837)
Because if you are an FO, your chances of getting furloughed are greater than your chances of not being furloughed.

You have no idea where I fit on the list. It may surprise you to know that furlough projections are at less than 100 as we speak. Im a displaced captain so Im not as junior as you may think.

N2Core 01-15-2013 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330841)
You have no idea where I fit on the list. It may surprise you to know that furlough projections are at less than 100 as we speak. Im a displaced captain so Im not as junior as you may think.

I might know you personally, we may get along off of this forum, and neither of us would know it. Doesn't matter. With a projected 80-something airplanes, you're not senior enough as an FO to not be furloughed.

Saabs 01-15-2013 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1330845)
I might know you personally, we may get along off of this forum, and neither of us would know it. Doesn't matter. With a projected 80-something airplanes, you're not senior enough as an FO to not be furloughed.

Your kidding right? If he's a displaced CA there is no way he will get furloughed. Look at the numbers alone. Without any attrition he would be furloughed in 2.5-3 years. But hey, u don't think there will be any attrition do u :rolleyes:

MachJ 01-15-2013 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1330787)
I'm just surprised it passed by an overwhelming majority. I would've guessed maybe 60% ish. I'm not trying to categorize just pilots from pinnacle here but I think it is interesting that a lot of regional pilots blame the majors for giving away every regional airplane but then we have an instance like this. I understand that delta was threatening liquidation but they always threaten during a strike. And just look at comair who were promised a bail out and then closed anyway.

Great post. My thoughts exactly.

LarryDavid 01-15-2013 10:22 AM

It is easy to tell someone how to vote until you are actually in their shoes. Guys saying that you can make more at home depot or on unemployment are full of rubish. Unless you have prior experience almost any job you get will be starting at the bottom for like $10-15/hr.

If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.


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