The Latest Epic Failure Of The US Regionals
01-15-2013 | 01:09 PM
#61
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It is easy to tell someone how to vote until you are actually in their shoes. Guys saying that you can make more at home depot or on unemployment are full of rubish. Unless you have prior experience almost any job you get will be starting at the bottom for like $10-15/hr.
If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.
If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.
01-15-2013 | 04:05 PM
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Who am I talking about? Pinnacle!
I make this thread for educational purposes...these pilots should have seen this coming a MILE AWAY. Let's recognize the symptoms so this doesn't happen again.
Ok....from the beginning now....
1. Pinnacle chooses to self finance 900's and underbid flying to gain regional market share. #FAIL
2. Pinnacle buys Colgan and Mesaba with money loaned from Delta with an interest rate of 12-13 cents on the dollar. #FAIL
3. Pinnacle files Chapter 11 and then accepts DIP financing from Delta with another ridiculous interest rate because Pinnacle barely has cash on hand to run its day to day operations #FAIL
4. Once again it falls on PILOTS to fall on the sword for management's failures. They overwhelmingly (85%) vote in a TA that cuts pay, cuts QOL, furloughs more than half of the group, and takes responsibility for Pinnacles bad business....while their CEO took a HUGE pay raise last year. #FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL
I make this thread for educational purposes...these pilots should have seen this coming a MILE AWAY. Let's recognize the symptoms so this doesn't happen again.
Ok....from the beginning now....
1. Pinnacle chooses to self finance 900's and underbid flying to gain regional market share. #FAIL
2. Pinnacle buys Colgan and Mesaba with money loaned from Delta with an interest rate of 12-13 cents on the dollar. #FAIL
3. Pinnacle files Chapter 11 and then accepts DIP financing from Delta with another ridiculous interest rate because Pinnacle barely has cash on hand to run its day to day operations #FAIL
4. Once again it falls on PILOTS to fall on the sword for management's failures. They overwhelmingly (85%) vote in a TA that cuts pay, cuts QOL, furloughs more than half of the group, and takes responsibility for Pinnacles bad business....while their CEO took a HUGE pay raise last year. #FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL
And don't forget that this is what you get when your UNION is just a dues collecting agency and does nothing to support better work conditions and better wages.
PATHETIC... How many other jobs did this deal affect in other places around the company....
Cowards.
01-15-2013 | 04:54 PM
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It is easy to tell someone how to vote until you are actually in their shoes. Guys saying that you can make more at home depot or on unemployment are full of rubish. Unless you have prior experience almost any job you get will be starting at the bottom for like $10-15/hr.
If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.
If anything what has been going on at the regionals is just a lesson to always leave yourself with outs. Even if you never have to go through what the 9E guys did you may still lose your medical. It should be the cardnial rule. Always have a plan b and heck even a plan c and d. The majors went through it in the 2000s, all regional guys are next. Now it is United's turn to dangle the carrots. US Air and american are probably close behind. There really needs to be a flying the line Vol.3 written about all this horse crap.
01-15-2013 | 05:10 PM
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01-15-2013 | 06:03 PM
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Are you saying the responsibility of the SSP that was negotiated outside your MEC falls on the back of the pinnacle pilots? I think you may be reaching on the extent here.
01-15-2013 | 06:44 PM
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Think this "deal" has had deeper consequences:
Regional airline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Many of the regional airlines operating turboprop equipment such as Delta's regional sister Comair airlines in the United States set the course for bypassing entirely the regional turboprops as they became the first to transition to an all-jet regional jet fleet
01-15-2013 | 07:06 PM
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You scratched my anchor
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If that was to me...I agree completely. We have all made decisions. We all accept the ramifications. I am honestly surprised at the outlash at PCL pilots. I'm not proud to be a part of this industry.
01-15-2013 | 07:06 PM
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Thank you.
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