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TA Passed = No Self worth

Criticize me for throwing stones, I speak with the experience of having been furloughed, and I've left a miserable and failing regional for another regional.
We barely could make the most minimal of ends meet for nearly 2 years (year 1 pay and recovering from year 1 pay).
I know how hard it is. With some terrible life circumstances along the way. Thrashed our savings, and did damage to credit, and had serious medical issues put off (family) because of lack of health care coverage.

I would have voted this POS TA down at the cost of my job and I'm the sole source in my family. Me, wife, kid, 2 cats.

Screw whether the other regional or the majors hiring or not. If you can't go get a job outside aviation (whether you have no other skill set, or you're too lazy too, you're a fool and shouldn't be doing this job.)


Also, I have no degree, and I have my own small business totally unrelated to aviation that I nurtured so as to have a backup plan. Basically, I'm not uber qualified with a degree (or flight training) my parents paid for. I've clawed my way through it all on my own. So unless you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps from day one, I've got no sympathy for F'ing up things for other people because "you have no choice".

Bottom line, no backup plan = stupidity.
Voting yes on this TA = no dignity.

Make better choices in life, and be willing to accept the consequences when your decisions are bad. This business is unforgiving, and if you don't have a backup plan, or are not prepared for the worst, you're a fool.

Thanks Pinnacle, Thank You
Nicely done, restarting the race to the bottom all over again
This just set the regional airline industry back 15-20 years.

What do you do for an encore?

Most captains are being displaced back to FO's so, I think the FO rate should be the focus being that year 2 at OO pays more than 9E FO top out.

You all should have voted no on the TA and burn the place down. You have all dealt a blow to the negotiations of all your peers at other companies. The regionals are no place for an airline career. It amazes me how so many embrace it like its all they've got.

Removed. Heat of the moment response.

Wanna bet? I wouldnt do it. I'm definitely not staying there. I certainly could find another job quick. I could leave there now, but I'm waiting for my career airline to begin hiring. I could and would go work somewhere else if it were a necessity. If they were gonna do to us what they're doing to yall, I'd vote it down in a heartbeat, then go work somewhere else.

Anytime. I know you wanted our flying. At least I have a job for now

A man with 2 cats = no dignity

What an uneducated quote! Thank you personally for moving the regional industry backwards about 10 years! I promise no one wanted your flying! Based upon what you said, you must be new! If not, you are pathetic. Where do you think you will be 3 or 5 years from now?! At mainline rocking $100 plus per hour?!?!? Good luck with that. You have forever help contribute to the demise of our industry!

+1 lmao! That right there is funny, I don't care who ya are!

Well I'm not new Internet forum worm, and I promise you would never call me pathetic to my face.... We are CONTRACT pilots, I promise if it were not for pinnacle - surejet or skypest would have been next, which they will be now.... Stop thinking your sucky airline is some kind of stand alone powerhouse... Again understand your contract carrier has 0 leverage in this industry, it's just really sad how many people are learning this NOW...

Thanks for nothing Pinnacle. Thanks for rear ending all of us in the segment of the industry that can least afford it. Thanks for taking food out of my kids mouths just so you can hang on a few months longer. Don't ask me for any favors.

Captain Tony, all you have to do is vote No when it's your turn. The PCL pilots voted not to fall on our sword to protect You. Get over it.

What would life be like today if everyone who ever stood up for anything or made a significant change decided instead: "oh well, that's life and it's not fair"? One thing that has become clear to me in life is that you CAN make a change, and sometimes you have to be creative and unique in how you institute that change (union voting is not the only way, may not even be effective), but you can change a company or situation for the better. It's not as hard as one thinks.

Voting this TA down would have helped only the regionals who received pinnacles 900s. Their cost structure would still be attacked by Delta. Pinnacle voting yes meant slower upgrades for some of you. Why should pinnacle pilots go to the street so another regional can grow?

A minimum of 1000 Pinnacle pilots will go to the street.

Based on what projection. This type of inflammatory statement is worthless. Their is no logical form of analysis that leads to 1000 furloughs. I wouldn't be surprised if their are none.

Based on the company and union projections. You know the union that all you guys have so much faith in.
Loss of 100 aircraft you do the math genius.

Protect us? You were already screwed. You're still screwed and you willingly took the rest of the industry down with you. Hey Gojet guys! There is a new bottom feeder in town. Enjoy your new contract. You guys deserve it.

Well no point in arguing time will clear it up.

This will continue to happen until mainline guys recapture scope or we get a true Union not an association. They created the contractor structure and cant be solved until thats removed.

The sad thing is all these regional pilots fighting for the scraps like wild dogs. This is exactly what's is best for the legacy management. Don't complain about the pay get the next job and say good buy to the regional for life attitude.

Vilcas nailed it. Sounds like most here want to stay at ExpressJet and Skywest forever.

Never read the railway labor act have you?

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The outcome of this TA would have been the same at any of the regionals operating today. Given what the pilots at 9E were faced with there isn't a singal pilot group out there that would have voted this down. All of you stone throwers should be thankful that you weren't faced with making the same decisions these folks had to. I would hope to have seen more professional discussion about this topic about how the other pilot groups could try to take steps to avoid this from happening from you. But whatever guys and gals carry-on....continue to show the web board your maturity.

Hey you fly a CRJ? That's pretty cool man!

Excellent post. Perhaps the 9E pilots who in the past have thrown stones at mainline pilots for "selling scope" in BK, now understand its not so easy to "stick it to the man". I personally have not experienced BK, but I don't wish it on anyone. This should be a lesson for everyone. Until you've walked in their shoes......

Hey do you know where I can find any dignity? I'm on my way to wal mart and want to pick some up

I bet it's fast!

Hey do you mind doing me a favor?

How many were projected to be furloughed when we declared BK? How many actually were?

Well, in all fairness the pilots weren't responsible for mismanagement and mistakes made in Memphis. With that, 9E pilots didn't help either by voting in this TA.

All this "I'm not falling on my sword", "you all just want our flying" blah blah blah is an excuse that really shows how near sighted many of them are. I can't blame the very senior voting "yes" they're not going anywhere. The bottom 65% however, should have voted "no". They didn't for 2 reasons. Either 1, they were too lazy to get out well before this TA or 2, they were too stupid not to leave.

The "I don't want to start over at another regional" excuse is lame. Guess what? Most of them will have to make the move to another regional when furloughed anyway... Furthermore, starting over now at some of the regionals would pay more than 9Es FO top out pay. But hell, they won't see that pay scale anyway because displaced captains will enjoy the fruit of their vote.

Taking food from your kids mouth, really? Are you guys taking pay cut? When is your company filing chap 11? We didnt take your job. If we turned this down and are all out of a job, would you care about us and how we are going to feed our kids?

I'm supposed to work to feed YOUR kids and not MINE??! hahhahaha!!!!
Sorry honey and kid, I quit my job so there will be no food and no xmas, but Tony will sure be the man!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is disappointing, bashing our peers who were put in a really ****ty position (that i hope I never go through, but probably will). Pilots bashing each other for mgmts lack of leadership. I hope I'm outta here before its our turn but no regional is immune......

Went from 400 to 200 down to 100-75, now I heard 0 planned for this year. Because of training backlog and people bailing.

I'm wondering if it was because they overinflated the numbers to use as a scare tactic?

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