Pncl ta passed
 

I realize this will anger some of you but its reality.

Restructuring Agreement Ratified

With more than 86 percent of eligible Pinnacle pilots casting ballots, 85 percent voted in favor of ratifying the Restructuring Letter of Agreement.

In this vote you were asked to decide to do what was best for our pilot group as a whole, taking into account the dire circumstances in which we found ourselves.

choose to vote in favor of the TA means a significant cost to each of you, both in terms of quality of life and pay. Some of our pilots will see wage cuts alone that equal nearly 25%, and that is without taking into account displacements due to loss of equipment. This vote was the final piece of the company’s restructuring plan. Having moved past this vote, the work begins to improve our carrier, our operation, as well as our contract.

Management failures were responsible for Pinnacle’s current financial crisis, but it was only this sacrifice by you, the professional pilots of Pinnacle airlines, that could preserve a future for the airline and its employees. In that future, we will seek out new employment opportunities for those pilots who no longer see a viable career path at Pinnacle while we protect and shore up the restructured contract for those who remain.

The pilot-ratified contract will now be submitted to the Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York for final approval tomorrow.

Jesus...


well, im not surprised. Reminds me of the ludacris song, how low can you go?
Apparently, strait into deeper poverty.

So what's the story, how many on the street?

The last update was between 75-100 this year.

So what are the pay rates and work rule highlights now?

Hostess bakers have more balls than 9E pilots.

The latest bit being told to check airman is to expect 0 furloughs.

lol........

and more brains than you.......
it's a little different being unskilled labor and finding a job at the same payrate/QOL you had, genius....

Senior Flight Attendants will be making more than reserve FO's...I'm disgusted

I'm quite sure your turn is coming to show just how big your 'balls' are...

Yikes. Can someone post a recap of this TA. Every Pinnacle pilot I spoke with in the last few weeks made it sound like the TA was preserving what they had, just with worse pay scales.

that is basically what it is. Saves most work rules but shoves some pretty harsh pay rates down our throat.

One word, "spineless"! No foresight to look to the long term-future for themselves.... Better never hear a 9E guy complain about the industry again.

What are the new pay rates.

Can anyone post them please?

Thank you.

CRJ 200 CA top out at $81.55 and FO at $37.36
CRJ 900 CA top out at $87.31 and FO at $38.58

I don't know who you work for or how long you have been in the industry, but I wouldn't throw stones until you found yourself In their position, and if you fly for a regional, I'm sure you will soon enough. Why would they vote no?, to put themselves ALL out of a job?, right before the start of a big hiring cycle? I'm disappointed it passed, but I'm not surprised.......This TA puts more pressure on every other regional. Bottom line is this TA will certainly be bad news for all of us (I'm sure UAL will follow suite ), but it's the nature of this CUT THOAT business, and this is why I suggest EVERYONE try as hard as you can to leave this sector of the industry and fly for an airline that sells its own tickets.

Signed,

6+ yr RJ F/O

The 1% that voted NO can still complain:D

I know I wouldn't fly a 90 seat jet for $38/hour.
Guess pinnacle pilots are either selling themselves short (and the rest of us) or they aren't worth a livable wage.

And that's the top of the scale. What a disgrace!

still better than republics 190 fo payrate.

FWIW, still higher than Republic and Mesa. Rates nearly mirror the ASA CA rates through year 8. CA rates are .50-.75 below industry average. Capped at year 12 which is 1.20 below industry average.

FO: rates now $25 (industry standard), 33 (1.15 below industry standard), 37 (.05 below industry standard) , and 38.50 (.20 below). Capped at that point. Higher than GJ, Mesa, RP and essentially on par with Eagle.

Vacation got destroyed as well. Most anyone gets this year or next is 2 weeks.

Thank you.

It is a good thing they are in the 76 seat configuration. You can still fly these. :D Just trying to lighten things up. This day sucks so far.

Skywest is next. It's all part of the new plan to drive down regional costs.

Skywest is contractually obligated to be the second lowest cost operator for Delta, but Delta waived that obligation until EOY 2015:

The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015.

I worked for 9E for 4.5 years got shafted more times than I care to remember by the company and ALPA, I left in October, so I was there and I made a decision to better my position and you all just pulled the rug out from under me again. So if you want sympathy from me it is somewhere between ******* and syphilis in the dictionary.

We get it. If you were in this situation, you would vote no and stick it to the man!
And if the TA passed anyway, you would quit your job and get hired at a major right away and stick it to the man? Nah, probably not...

You would quit and make a lateral move to another regional for less pay and stick it to the man? Nah, probably not unless you're stupid...

You would quit and be unemploymed right before a hiring boom to stick it to the man, because that would really show Richard Anderson what a tough guy you are???

And said actions would do wonders for the rest of the industry because you would have held the bar at a defunct airline. Also, that would leave no other airline for you to whipsawed against. oh, wait...

We all?, I don't work for PNCL

TinPusher, you can't quit and collect unemployment, you quit......

FYI, JoeyMetaballs does not fly for 9e. He didn't pull the rug from under you.

What are PSA's work rules again? And $40 an hour for a CRJ 700 ain't exactly "knocking it out of the park".;)

I was looking for some sympathy. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Ok so school us. You left and went where? Can you get us all jobs there so we can place the red carpet back beneath your feet?

edited...thx

Actually I would most likely be one of those furloughed or downgraded. Neither choice is appealing. Personally I would rather see the company shut down than be able to continue the mismanagement. There are plenty of flying jobs out there. Many starting above the top F/O scale. There was no reason to vote yes other than being too lazy and scared to find a better job.

*applause*

Oh right!!! That NEVER ocurred to me! I've travelled 6500 miles in search of another job. I'll let you know if I get that one. I've had applications out at other carriers long before this debacle. I'll let you know if those pan out too, ya know so you wont think Im lazy and scared. I was downgraded too. It was nice making a decent paycheck as a captain. It sucks that Im going to take a huge pay cut (that I voted for because I really wanted it) rather than go to one of these many airlines that you say are actively hiring and calling everyone who applies. Maybe I should start at the bottom of another regional seniority list and make less than Im going to now. Furlough projections keep slipping literally every week. Those of us who had to vote have access to more info than you do from the outside looking in.

That's the problem. You think we are just bystanders.
Actually we are all in this together.

We are? Are you taking a pay cut, together with me? Would you be paying my bills if I lost my job? Would you give me your job and your seniority at your carrier? Would you get me another job...one of those jobs that starts higher than the max pay I will get here, the same job that you dont have yourself? Or would you just be happy if I applied to your crappy regional so I'd be junior to you?

Lol, all these Skywest pilots crying because someone else voted them a pay cut in the future.

If you had a union maybe you would have a vote in all this.

Next up to bat ExpressJet!

Good luck guys, hope they use a little lube on you guys, at least y'all can vote no if you want.