Yes, normally.

But if you rewind and repeat a manuever, that does get recorded on the checklist (supposed to anyway).

I don't think that's a failure, it's part of the PC process. If you have to repeat a bunch stuff and run out of time, then you fail. I have been asked at an interview "ever failed a PC?" No. "ever had to repeat a manuever?" Yes.

But a PRIA request would probably return those records, so they would see that you repeated something. It seems unlikely that an interviewer would consider that a "checkride failure" since nobody else in the industry does.

 

The FAA supplies all 8710's which will include rexaminations ( failures ) if he lied about checkrude failures he will get terminated and now have a failure to complete training at a a 121 company on his record

 

If it is a PC failure though, that would be a company training record not an FAA record. Wouldnt that just fall off after 5 years? There was nothing sent to the FAA, its recurrent training. I was under the impression that 121 company training records are only held onto for 5 years?

 

I believe 121 companies are only required to provide records that are within the 5 year look back from the date requested

The original post indicates part 91 and log book is gone so I would assume it was an 8710 event .
but 8710's will show re examinations if say the instrument rating or cfi check ride were failed for example . 8710's are there forever AFAIK .

The logbook being missing / destroyed may illicit more scrutiny.
Being honest and forthright is is the only way to go whatever the case .

 

So does this mean a 121 training failure (ie PC, written test, ect) will no longer come up on your PRIA once you have passed the 5 year window?

 

In theory, but if the clerk screws up and sends them ALL your records you'd be hosed if you lied (yes this happened). Be careful.

 

Well, I guess that means I would be screwed. I busted my 1st CommASEL the same way, and like you the DPE felt worse about it than I did! Went back the next afternoon after a quick session with my CFI and passed with flying colors.

Thank God I don't want to fly for the Regionals. If they are THAT friggin' anal I wouldn't want to work for any of 'em anyway!

This whole thread makes me laugh. From what I can gather, they expect a guy to be perfect...on paper and otherwise...but want to pay him/her peanuts while treating them like dog poo...all for the privilege of flying from point A to point B, on the crappiest of schedules, in a rigid seniority system where merit has no meaning or place, for less $$ than a manager at a Taco f'n Bell.

People are INSANE to want a job like that, much less work for the unmitigated JACKASSES who would set such standards.

I'll have to rethink the respect I ha(d)ve for regional pilots. Sure, they worked like slaves to get to where they are, but in reality they are just prostitutes HOPING...praying...to someday fly a bigger jet.

Now I don't know who is worse...the Regional executives and HR morons who live to treat people like dirt, or the morons who "can't wait" to work for them.

Un-f'n-believable. No wonder the airline industry is so screwed up. Jesus.

 

You are missing the whole point. The regionals never really cared about the number of busts, until someone with 4 or 5 lied on their application and ended up a smoking hole in the ground. It was the flying public and the media that cared about checkride busts after that, and the management caved to the pressure. Now excuse me while this lowlife goes and plays 747 driver on Flight Sim X since thats obviously my dream and all I live for....but it is pathetic we are even having a conversation about lying about a bust. True character...

 

Checkrides and PCs aren't that hard. Study hard, show up prepared, have a good attitude, and be willing to learn. One or two busts isn't too bad, it's the people with 4 or more busts that are problem childs that shouldn't be doing this job. The Colgan guy at BUF is an example, as was the Captain of the Learjet crash at CAE. She had 4 previous checkride busts, and got hired at Executive Jet without the normal sim check given to applicants because she came "with good recommendations." This was a 3,100 hr pilot who aborted well above V1, despite her FO saying "go" and "go go go" meaning take off.

One or two failures is a bad day. 4 or more is a repeating pattern of someone just not cut out for this job. It's an easy job, but not everyone is made for it.

 

Two...no...three things.

1) I didn't miss anything. What I really said was a pathetic job is even MORE hard to get because now someone has to be perfect on paper, and that makes me laugh.

2) At no time did I ever say any regional pilot was a lowlife. What I said was...paraphrased...is that someone has to be stupid to want a job that pays what a regional airline pays while getting treated like dog poo.

3) The truth can be harsh sometimes. You regional guys should be used to that by now.